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| Inui | Jan 7 2007, 02:50 PM Post #91 |
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Astrid is easily the best thanks to being a Paladin and having Elite. She gains EXP like crazy and can easily hit 20/20 before any units you have because of this. Ilyana sucks? ROFLMAO!
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| -HJ- | Jan 7 2007, 02:51 PM Post #92 |
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I've failed to come up with something witty, so I hope you will enjoy this filler text instead.
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Illyana doesn't suck. She's very inferior to Soren and Callil, though. |
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| Inui | Jan 7 2007, 02:53 PM Post #93 |
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More like slightly inferior to Soren and superior or even to Calill. :richie: |
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| snpies | Jan 7 2007, 02:53 PM Post #94 |
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Tormod, Calil and Soren are easily better. Astrid is outclassed by Oscar and Kieran, so she's not really that useful a unit. Bows aren't that great and elite still takes a bit of time helping her catch up when your units will be promoting like... two chapters after she joins. Ilyana fails as a sage. Now tell me, why are they better than Zihark, Boyd and Nephenee? |
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| Psiwri | Jan 7 2007, 02:54 PM Post #95 |
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I don't understand how a sage without staves could possibly be considered useful. Soren and Illyana are the top two choice as far as I'm concerned, specially seeing as the majority of the people here hate anyone who joins underleveled. |
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| snpies | Jan 7 2007, 02:56 PM Post #96 |
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Ilyana's too slow, and though Calil has knives, Soren's not using staves that much because of his low staff level. Same story for Ilyana. Ilyana's just too slow for my liking. Tormod is underlevelled yes, but he's statistically the best sage in the game and comes less than halfway through the game still. |
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| Inui | Jan 7 2007, 02:56 PM Post #97 |
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Calill's skill never really helps her, while Adept, Celerity, and Shade are all much more useful. The three mages also can take the better path of Staves over Knives, which she cannot. Elaice's healing utility is great. Topuck's Joining Point Level 15/0 Elaice HP: 24.1 STR: 3.3 MAG: 12.5 SKL: 14.1 SPD: 11.7 RES: 10.1 DEF: 4.3 RES: 14.5 Level 9/0 Topuck(assuming a bonus EXP level-up) HP: 20.5 STR: 2.2 MAG: 10.4 SKL: 9.4 SPD: 9.4 LUK: 8.3 DEF: 4.3 RES: 9.4 It's clearly no contest. Elaice also has time to build supports, while Topuck will not have any supports yet. End of the Midgame Level 20/2 Elaice HP: 30.8 STR: 6.7 MAG: 16.5 SKL: 18.7 SPD: 15.5 LUK: 12.8 DEF: 7.2 RES: 19.5 Level 19/0 Topuck HP: 26.0 STR: 4.4 MAG: 15.4 SKL: 13.8 SPD: 14.4 LUK: 12.2 DEF: 7.0 RES: 14.4 Elaice being able to promote much earlier really makes a big gap between them. Elaice now has the use of staves, further increasing her utility and EXP pool. She's still outdoing Topuck by about the same amount due to the promotional gains. Lategame Level 20/15 Elaice HP: 36.6 STR: 10.0 MAG: 23.0 SKL: 24.5 SPD: 19.4 LUK: 18.6 DEF: 9.2 RES: 25.7 Level 20/12 Topuck HP: 36.0 STR: 8.8 MAG: 21.8 SKL: 20.6 SPD: 21.8 LUK: 16.4 DEF: 12.0 RES: 21.8 Topuck's minor wins in SPD and DEF do not offset Elaice's wins in HP, STR, MAG, SKL, LUK, and RES. She's still outdoing Tormod, but not by as much as she used to. Endgame Level 20/20 Elaice HP: 38.9 STR: 11.2 MAG: 25.4 SKL: 26.2 SPD: 20.9 LUK: 20.9 DEF: 9.9 RES: 27.1 Level 20/20 Topuck HP: 40.0 STR: 10.4 MAG: 25.3 SKL: 23.7 SPD: 25.1 LUK: 19.2 DEF: 14.0 RES: 25.1 Elaice: 0.8 STR, 0.1 MAG, 2.5 SKL, 1.7 LUK, 2.0 RES Topuck: 1.1 HP, 4.2 SPD, 4.1 DEF Ok, so Topuck finally wins due to his SPD. DEF, who cares? Elaice has Shade, so she's not being attacked by anything that's a threat. Topuck finally wins...in the final chapter of the entire game. Other Points for Elaice -Specializes in Thunder, the best magic in the game, and easily gets to an S in it for the Rexbolt. -Shade makes her 100% durable if you use it properly, and she can move about freely without being attacked, both healing and attacking. Elaice: Light Gatrie 4/8/12 Light Mia 4/8/12 Fire Mordecai 2/5/8 Water Zihark 4/9/14 Earth Lucia 1/2/3 Earth Topuck: Fire Sothe 3/6/9 Wind Davdan 1/4/7 Fire Reyson 1/3/5 Fire Calill 2/4/6 Dark Lucia is the only person on Elaice's list that is worthless. Gatrie is easily one of the best units in the entire game, and is perfect for tanking with her and drawing blows away from her, while Elaice is perfect for healing him and taking the magicians for him. Mia is ok, and Mordecai is one of the more useful Laguz and can perform the same tasks as Gatrie with Elaice with him. Zihark is pretty good, and anyone would agree with that. Topuck has two completely worthless supports in Sothe and Devdan. Reyson is good, but Topuck's Celerity often keeps him away from him, unless you want to use Reyson just to catch Topuck up to your other units in level, which isn't entirely a bad idea. Calill is more of a replacement than a partner, since she averages very similar statistics with very little work, while Topuck needs a ton of work. Calill can just support with other units anyways, like Largo and Geoffrey. Elaice wins supports, hands down. Vs Calill to come soon. |
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| snpies | Jan 7 2007, 02:58 PM Post #98 |
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Wow, that's pretty intense. I think you took my statements a little too literally. |
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| Inui | Jan 7 2007, 03:01 PM Post #99 |
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So I needn't bother with Ilyana vs Calill then? Ilyana's staves + Shade + supports Calill's AS. |
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| -HJ- | Jan 7 2007, 03:01 PM Post #100 |
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I've failed to come up with something witty, so I hope you will enjoy this filler text instead.
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Sorry, Snipes, but I smell ownage here... Anyway, Soren is the best Sage, as long as no one disagrees with this, I'm too lazy to back either of you up. |
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| Inui | Jan 7 2007, 03:02 PM Post #101 |
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I'll agree that Soren is the best Sage with forged tomes/STR boosting bands. |
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| -HJ- | Jan 7 2007, 03:05 PM Post #102 |
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I've failed to come up with something witty, so I hope you will enjoy this filler text instead.
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And without. Thanks to a much better skill, better supports, and better stats (besides Str). |
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| C475_1337 | Jan 7 2007, 03:07 PM Post #103 |
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One serious d00d
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Brom is DAing more often than Gatrie, and getting DAed less often. Neither one has problems dealing damage or staying alive, so these are not a concern; their problem is in their DAing capabilities, and Brom wins there. Same reason that +5 Str is far more useful than +5 Spd on an SM.
Since when are Astrid and Ilyana > Boyd? Last I checked Ilyana was worse than Calill and Tormod, going by the discussion on GFAQs. I'll wait for Reikken to come before elaborating on that, though, since Reikken is the FE9 guy. |
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Reikken: I'm halfway through reading it, but it's so bad; I can't finish. --- Inui: You say Ilia holds more weight, but I don't, since Shin >>> Pegs and Sacae is more fun due to enemies that aren't fail and not having to move through forests all day. --- SACAE. It's more fun than Ilia. | |
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| snpies | Jan 7 2007, 03:07 PM Post #104 |
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His higher magic allows him to use wind, and do MORE than what Ilyana does with thunder. Anyway, Ilyana's too slow for my liking. She hardly doubles early on, and takes more work than Soren does. |
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| Inui | Jan 7 2007, 03:11 PM Post #105 |
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They both don't DA. Enemies with THAT little AS don't exist, except for Generals/Knights. Getting doubled = 100% meaningless. The only units that can deal damage to Gatrie are Sages, Generals, and Warriors; all too slow to double Gatrie. Astrid > Boyd. Ilyana, no. @Sniper: Soren > Ilyana isn't being contested. Ilyana > Calill and Tormod is being contested. |
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