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Who's better?
Erk 19 (70.4%)
Dart 8 (29.6%)
Total Votes: 27
Erk vs Dart
Topic Started: Jan 16 2007, 07:54 PM (1,041 Views)
Merk
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ザワザワ

Curious.

Anyway, I'll quote myself.

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Hmm.

Anima > Axes, right? 1-2 range all the time > 1-2 range with expensive, inaccurate, and low usage weapons; attacking RES > attacking DEF.

Dart promotes and gains nothing, while Erk promotes and gains Staves. Postpromotion, Erk can heal for a solid amount of HP, gaining EXP when there are no attack actions available. Erk's promotion item is cheaper.

Dart only has 15% critical postpromotion, but it's not enough to provide a really impressive boost to his offense; most of the time, he's already 2HKing.

Dart has Sea Walk then Sea+Peak walk; Erk has Desert Walk. Dart wins, but Erk > Dart on Living Legend.

Erk has a level lead early on (is level 10 plausible, factoring in Lyn's mode?). He gets more combat EXP unless you lock Dart to Handaxes (which he actually can't afford initially, since he *will* actually miss enemies). He picks up his level lead again after promotion thanks to healing EXP.

Erk should at least have C Priscilla/Serra by the time Dart arrives. IIRC, Dart's best support is Geitz, who comes later; Erk can also support Pent.

Dart is a damage/doubling/HP beast, but really can't do much of else. Erk can double lots, damage lots, has acceptable survivability in the later levels, and then has range, staff utility, and supports to clean up shop, and doesn't have Dart's terrible SKL and RES (translating to: he will never have Hit problems and can resist enemy mage's attacks and status staves). IMO, this is enough to hand the victory to Erk.


Disagree plz.

Disclaimer: I'll be the first to say Pent > Erk and Geitz > Dart, but I'd like side comments like that to be shelved for the moment.
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I agree...

I'm a Dart fan myself, but statistically, he isn't as good as Erk. Cool backstory, though.
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I prefer Dart, personally. Range isn't going to make much a difference to either, especially because Dart doesn't really need to attack from a range and Erk will almost never, EVER need to attack up close because of his shoddy DEF. If you need to, you can do both with either, but it doesn't make much sense to me.

As for Dart, I like him better than I do Bartre and Dorcas. So he and Hector are essentially my axes. If I use Erk, it's up until I get Pent, and from there I choose Erk or Pent.
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Hmm...Erk would like to attack Archers, Snipers, Nomads, and Bow NTs and Warriors at range 1, and Dart would like to at least be able to do something in exchange for losing a fair chunk of his HP from mages.
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>> Metallica wub all of a sudden

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Dart promotes and gains nothing


Not quite true, he gets +15% Crit and Peak Walk. Though yes, Staves > both of those.

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Erk has a level lead early on (is level 10 plausible, factoring in Lyn's mode?).


Oh, more than that, easily. If your units are still LvL 10 on Dread Isle you’re using way too many pplz.

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He gets more combat EXP unless you lock Dart to Handaxes (which he actually can't afford initially, since he *will* actually miss enemies).


Nah. Erk can counter more, but Dart’s durability is better, so it’s actually safe for Dart to be getting attacked more often.

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Range isn't going to make much a difference to either, especially because Dart doesn't really need to attack from a range and Erk will almost never, EVER need to attack up close because of his shoddy DEF.


No, Erk’s range helps for sure. On the player phase, he can avoid counters from most things without dropping his offense and Avo, and on the enemy phase, he can counter more often without dropping his offense and Avo.

Anyway. I agree that Erk > Dart but mainly because Dart’s promo item is worth 50K. If the Ocean Seal were a normal promo item, I’d give the advantage to Dart.
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Not quite true, he gets +15% Crit and Peak Walk. Though yes, Staves > both of those.
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Dart, easily.

Just because he massacres pretty much everything. Erk can't do that. I'd easily trade staves and double range for that.

Dart supports very easily with both Will and Rebecca, take your pick.
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I voted Erk. Duh

Hurray for skill and enemies with lame Res. XD
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Jan 16 2007, 09:13 PM
Dart, easily.

Just because he massacres pretty much everything. Erk can't do that. I'd easily trade staves and double range for that.

Dart supports very easily with both Will and Rebecca, take your pick.

Wil and Rebecca shouldn't be used.

Erk wins.
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Erk. Better support options, level advantage, can heal upon promotion, more range most of the time, and uses magic, which usually does more damage to an enemy than melee attacks.

I personally don't use either.
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I prefer Erk myself. It's much easier to level him up in Lyn's mode. I also prefer his supports with Priscilla and Serra, since I always have at least one of the two (usually both) in my line up. I like the use of Staves. What's nice about staves is that if he used one to heal lets say Eliwood and he's attacked during the enemy phase, he'll counter attack with what ever anima magic comes first in his inventry. Also, those pesky Knights that have insane DEF. They don't stand a chance aganst magick. I killed a General with Nino. Nino at level ten. And Erk demolishes them, if they counter attack, they usually won't hit because he has good SPD.

Dart is alright, I don't mind using him. Especially in Cog of Destiny. I've gotten his supports with Rebecca, but I've been unable to get any of his others. Two chapters and he still didn't have any with Geitz. I'm not much of an axe person either. For the most part, Hector is my axe-boy. He will always use axes, unlike Hector after promotion and able to take care of his sword weakness. Of course, Dart has his Hand Axe, if need be, and there's always the Swordreaver. Though, I don't think a sword reaver can compare when Erk can just come up and attack the Mercenary's weak RES and kill him faster.
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Dart has the insanely expensive promotion item, which gives funds ranking a serious blow. He's more expensive than Farina to promote. Add Geitz, who is a perfect RNG-proof alternative for him, especially in HHM, and the winner is pretty clear.
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Jan 17 2007, 05:58 AM
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Jan 16 2007, 09:13 PM
Dart, easily.

Just because he massacres pretty much everything. Erk can't do that. I'd easily trade staves and double range for that.

Dart supports very easily with both Will and Rebecca, take your pick.

Wil and Rebecca shouldn't be used.

Erk wins.

Why not. Rebecca gains alot more speed and luck and not to mention that she is more of a durable bow user than Wil in my opinion. Of course Wil growing alot more strength than rebecca lives up to it's sums. Besides Rath as a bow user is really no better either.

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I would go with Dart as he is just plain awesome with Rebecca in supporting and that I just really like their support conversations as well.
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Jan 17 2007, 07:16 PM
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Jan 16 2007, 09:13 PM
Dart, easily.

Just because he massacres pretty much everything. Erk can't do that. I'd easily trade staves and double range for that.

Dart supports very easily with both Will and Rebecca, take your pick.

Wil and Rebecca shouldn't be used.

Erk wins.

Why not. Rebecca gains alot more speed and luck and not to mention that she is more of a durable bow user than Wil in my opinion. Of course Wil growing alot more strength than rebecca lives up to it's sums. Besides Rath as a bow user is really no better either.

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I would go with Dart as he is just plain awesome with Rebecca in supporting and that I just really like their support conversations as well.

Speed and Luck is all she has. Not to mention it takes needless effort to raise her.

Wil's stats are simply too meh, and he'll likely require a little work too.

Louise STARTS with support with the no doubt best mage (and one of the overall best units), namely Pent.

Unless you're a Rebecca/Wil fanboy you might as well go with Louise.

And the fact that you like Dart's support don't change that he's inferior as a unit.
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