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Legend of Zelda timeline theories.
Topic Started: Jan 21 2007, 08:41 PM (554 Views)
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Here's the way I see it.

Oot and MM are clearly the same Link. As are Phantom Hourglass and WW.

The Link's Awakening clearly takes place after one of the games, as does Seasons and Ages. The problem is, Season and Ages must BOTH take place in the same continuity as Kid-OoT, because both star Twinrova, who is killed in Adult OoT, but alive in Kid. I've always thought they took place in the same continuity, taking place after the first Zelda. The first Zelda is the first adventure, Oracle is the There of the second quest, LA is the Back Again.

Not to mention, Ages and Seasons stars a Link who is already acquainted with an Impa, and has a Triforce. That limits it to the Original NES Link, OoT Link, or Twilight Princess Link. TP is clearly an adult, so it's either NES or OoT, I'm simply inclined to say NES.

Twilight Princess can't take place in the same continuity as WW, WW has Gannondorf's seal broken, TP, which takes place beforehand(not necessarily in the same timeline) has him definitively killed. Same with WW. Likewise, TP is all over place geographically, but the location of Geurdo Fortress, Death Mountain, and the Kokoris and perfectly correspond with WW. Link's island is actually located on Lake Hylia, it's no surprise Jabu-Jaba live outback.

Of course, it's possible Hyrule Castle moved, as it constantly seems to do.

I kinda agree with Reaver, details were meshed together over the years, who knows what happens. Maybe the whole Gustav thing was a horrible miscommunication of a previous Link's name. Wasn't Link's Uncle named something with a G?
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I think it may even be safe to say that there is absolutely no pattern at all, and Nintendo just likes incorporating similar aspects in each game.
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The timeline I think is correct is:

OoT---MM--------------TP-------------WW---------------LoZ---AL--------------LttP---LA


--- = short time/same Link
------------ = long time period/different Link

I don't know about the Minish Cap (never played), and the Oracale series can fit anywhere. Neither of those games particularly effect the series.

The whole idea of Hyrule being flooded allows for the drastic changes in Hyrule after OoT and TP, which have very similar Hyrules. I wouldn't think that a seperate timeline would continue on following the end of OoT. For one thing, Link's time travel in the game never causes split timelines, so why would it at the end? I would think that, rather, the adult ending was erased from time, however, the seal created by the Sages was strong enough to hold Ganon in the Sacred Realm, where the rules of time do not neccissarily hold the same.

I don't think there is really any reason we have to assume the games tie in perfectly, partly to allow for more games to be inserted inbetween, and partly what Reaver was talking about.

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Also, rather than being the same story, it would be considered the story of the Legendary Hero, who is reincarnated repeatedly to fight Ganon.

@Reaver: Myamoto has official stated that OoT takes place before the other Zelda games, so they can't all be the same story retold. However, that doesn't neccissarily debunk you theory using the term "legend." But rather than the stories being the same one told repeatedly, it would instead explain the descrepencies between the games; such as why Hyrule is a bit different between OoT and TP. Also, the stories do have distinct enough differences to not be the same one retold, and also some reference eachother.
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@Reaver: Myamoto has official stated that OoT takes place before the other Zelda games, so they can't all be the same story retold.
I thought about that. You're right, Miyamoto did say that, but perhaps that's the foundation and the rest are the same story retold? Ocarania of Time seems to be the only game that connects to all the stories (except for Ages/Seasons duality), perhaps that's the base?

I MUCH prefer the legend as the retelling of the same story theory, but I will compromise on the fact that OoT is the basis to everything.
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I don't think they anticipated on it being a smash hit or connecting the stories together in the first few games, but now that the future is more concrete with this franchise they may be linking the current games together whilst trying to do so with the prior games as well so people make videos such as this and it's more engrossing.
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Cry about it, Linoud. :richie:

I don't think each game is a retelling of the same story. Sure, they have things in common. You would expect that in the same universe, or even country.

For example, take Ocarina of Time. That was a story of the Hero time traveling to defeat Ganon. Are you to tell me thats telling the same story as Wind Waker, where the game nearly explicitly refers to OoT in the begining, and you travel around an ocean? Or the same story as Link to the Past, where the hero travels into a Dark version of Hyrule to fight Ganon? And surely Zelda 2: Links Adventure happend after Zelda 1. That is the same Link, isn't it? And Majora's Mask doesn't even take place in Hyrule!

So, for timeline...

OoT seems to be the first one. It doesn't refer to anything else other than Creation in that, for past.

MM would be second, since it is probably the same Link as in OoT.

Where TP and WW come, it gets messy. At the end of OoT, Link traveled to the future, and beat Ganon in the future. But that didn't stop Ganon from rising to power in the first place, in the past. And with OoT's ending, it seems to imply that some sort of peace was reached there. So, I sorry went Chrono Cross with this, and have a Time Split.

Wind Waker happens after the Future of OoT. Ganon was sealed at the end of the future of OoT, and in WW, the seal is broken. It also refers to the Hero of Time, wielding the Master Sword, and has a picture of the Hero riding a Horse.

Twilight Princess would be after the past of OoT. In TP, we see Ganon imprisoned, they attempt to execute him (and then he uses Man Powers to punch some guy's head off), and seal him in the Twilight Realm. Ganon wasn't imprisioned or executed after the Future of OoT, he got sealed by Zelda and the sages.

I think the rest of the Zelda games follow TP's path, but I'm not sure.

There was a site I saw a while ago, with alot of different timeline theories. I'll see if I can find it again.
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@Reaver: except they can't all be the same story with a different telling, such as majora's mask, wind waker, phantom hourglass, twilight princess. A lot of them make references to past Link's. Personally, I don't think Nintendo actually attempted a timeline and its all bs, but meh.

Except for the fact that Shigeru Miyamoto said in a Nintendo Power issue circa 93' that when he presented Zelda to Nintendo, he had made up a timeline and story too big for one game, much like how George Lucas conducted star wars. I doubt that he had written all the way to Twilight Princess, but up till Link's Awakening is a very strong possibility, as well as Ocarina of Time's initial inception. Nintendo probably just picked out their favorite, and most simplified section.

nobody ever read that. it should clear up some things.
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For example, take Ocarina of Time. That was a story of the Hero time traveling to defeat Ganon. Are you to tell me thats telling the same story as Wind Waker, where the game nearly explicitly refers to OoT in the begining, and you travel around an ocean? Or the same story as Link to the Past, where the hero travels into a Dark version of Hyrule to fight Ganon? And surely Zelda 2: Links Adventure happend after Zelda 1. That is the same Link, isn't it? And Majora's Mask doesn't even take place in Hyrule!
It's oral tradition, I suppose. You never know what you lose, especially when you rely on memory to keep the story alive...
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Jan 21 2007, 09:40 PM
@Reaver: except they can't all be the same story with a different telling, such as majora's mask, wind waker, phantom hourglass, twilight princess. A lot of them make references to past Link's. Personally, I don't think Nintendo actually attempted a timeline and its all bs, but meh.

Why not?

Phantom Hourglass: N/A, never played.

Twilight Princess: Hyrule, Zora's River, Zora's Domain, Kakariko Village, Bombs, Bows, Hookshot, Boomerang, Epona, Faries, Gerudo, Lake Hylia, Hyrule Castle Town, Zelda, Helper, Forest Temple, Water Temple, Gorons, Death Mountain, Iron Boots, Poes, Poes/Golden Skulltula Collection, Fishing Hole, Six Sages, Master Sword, Temple of Time, and Gannondorf.

Majora's Mask: Malon, Epona, Link, Deku, Gorons, Zora, Anju, Zora, Goron, Gerudo, Mask Man, Ingo, Lost Woods, Builders, Prancing Thief, Tingle, helper, Bombs, Bow, and Hookshot. (Granted, this one's funky, but it still fits the image ENOUGH to be considered a retelling, only different).

Wind Waker: Hookshot, Boomerang, Bow, Bomb, Hammer, Zelda, Ganon, Quiet Origins, Master Sword, Triforce, Courage/Power/Wisdom mix, magic instument, helper, Tingle, Light Arrows, Hyrule, Hyrule Castle, Volcano, Forest Temple, Shadow Temple, Wind Temple, knocked down hero*, and Joy Pendant/Golden Skulltula relationship.

Fits to me.

*Knocked Down Hero refers to the hero initially meeting Ganon, then getting knocked away because he's too weak at the time you get him at.

I think those three games followed the story of OoT. The other games seem to differ a lot more, but all the games made for N64, GC, and Wii seem to be built on a time AFTER OoT. In MM I think I remember a direct reference to Link leaving Hyrule after saving the Kingdom from Ganondorf. Of course I never finished this game, and haven't played it in a pretty long time. Now I'm going to take a guess and say TP would have come next, with some pretty signifigant cultural and geographical changes, it still seems that it follows OoT. I can believe the cultural and geographical changes, if it were a REALLY, REALLY long time. WW takes after OoT because it's basicly the same place just covered with water. They make a few references to what happened in OoT too.
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lol @ going "Chrono Cross".

This is pretty well put-together and well thought-out.
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The problem with Reaver's theory is that a good amount of the games refer to past games.

The REAL problem is, where does Soul Caliber 3 come in? :hmm:
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Meh, I've never really thought about the intertwining plots of the Zelda games too much. It just seems to me that the developers aren't interested in making them all linked together (lol, Link).
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I probably was an afterthought, after the series exploded in popularity. The really old Zelda games seem to focus more on the gameplay than the story or world. LttP and LA were the first ones to really, really, feature the plot and story of Hyrule as major in comparison to the mechanics of the game and puzzles. OoT continued that further, expanding to make the series more story driven. This is tricky to reconcile with the old games that don't seem to really care so much about this.

I think the stories are to distinct to all be the same story, but rather the cycle of reincarnation of the same "Legendary Hero," who is continually reborn to fight evil, which is found incarnate in Ganon. Rather than a single oral tradition, it would be a series. It's the same story relived by different incarnations of the Hero at different times. More of a repeating cycle. The idea of legends nd oral tradition would help more in explaining the discrapencies.

I don't really like the splitting timeline theories. I don't see that as being implied within the series, but rather as speculation trying to hard to connect stories where continuity hadn't been a major concern. I can see where parts of it make sense, but I also see where it seems to be simply imaginative. More of a possible fan fic, than a canon.
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Michael says:
-So....when worse comes to worse, how should I write -BlackLion out of the RP?
Psio says:
-eaten by a lion
Psio says:
-whle in a car
Michael says:
-hmmmm...fittting
Psio says:
-and the lion has a ">:3" face
Psio says:
-and says "rawr"
Michael says:
-....so I should sick Kovu after him?
Rock says:
-yes
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I am conviced that the first two zeldas carry no relation at all to any of the others. And most of the others only carry loose relationships to eachother with minor exceptions (majora's mask and phantom hourglass being very obviously related to their counterparts). But I suppose those loose relationships are there, such as we know WindWaker comes after OoT timesplit or not, though not exactly how long after and there may be things inbetween.
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