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| Wind Sword | Jan 26 2007, 10:06 AM Post #16 |
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SKILLNADEN ÄR DRINKABILITY
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Florina easily. If your only strong hold is Dodge, it better be godly. |
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| Hatake Asuka | Jan 26 2007, 04:13 PM Post #17 |
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Gakutorishiusu
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Farina
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| Phoenix Wright | Jan 26 2007, 05:17 PM Post #18 |
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that moron that forgot this is s11
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Only once the rest of your team is doubling reliably. Fiora's not as weak as you're making her out to be; a double attack from her is doing more damage than a single hit from everyone else, which is commonly what you'll see for a little while after she joins. But yeah, she starts to get lackluster near the end. |
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| Dragon Hellfire | Jan 26 2007, 09:38 PM Post #19 |
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Dragon Hellfire; three random words
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.:FES:. Formerly: Juggernaut, FireBane 100% of BwdYetis don't care about your percentages. | |
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| Yzarc | Jan 27 2007, 11:27 AM Post #20 |
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I consider 14.4 Defense, 24.3 Res and 48.4 HP a pretty decent defensive combination. Fiora beats Florina by 2.7 Defense, 5 Res and 3.6 HP. Florina beats Fiora by 0.3 Speed and 10.3 Luck. That's 10.9 Dodge. 2.7 Defense + 5 Res + 3.6 HP > 10.9 Dodge, imo. Offensively, Florina only beats Fiora by 0.6 Strength, 0.3 Attack Speed (which turns into Fiora's advantage when you consider her superior Con) and 3.55 Accuracy. Offensively, Florina is clearly superior to Fiora, but by very ridiculously small margins. The only thing over 1 point is Accuracy, which is probably the least important. Defensively is a clear and bigger win for Fiora. When you take into account Florina's support with Lyn and earlier joining time, she ends up winning, however.
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| Phoenix Wright | Jan 27 2007, 11:36 AM Post #21 |
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that moron that forgot this is s11
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Nah, Dodge in this kind of amounts is better than a concrete lead in defences. 5 Res doesn't mean much since the spellcasters that are dangerous enough to warrant Res ignore Res entirely. 3 HP and Def don't override the difference between 10 Hit and 0 Hit. |
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| Yzarc | Jan 27 2007, 02:02 PM Post #22 |
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That's some seriously shitty accuracy if they have 0 hit on Florina and 10 hit on Fiora. Aside from that given situation, there's just a 10% chance that the enemy will hit Fiora and not Florina. It's there and it's significant, but considering Fiora will take significantly less damage per hit she does take...Out of ten enemy hits, Fiora will end up taking 27 less overall damage than Florina due to her superior defense (not taking into account the possible spellcasters) while Florina will only dodge one of those ten attacks. Unless that one attack she dodges is worth 28 damage (which is just ridiculous), Fiora is better off defensively. |
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| C475_1337 | Jan 27 2007, 02:14 PM Post #23 |
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One serious d00d
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lol rubbish. First stop looking at 20/20 stats. 20/10 Fiora 41.4 Hp 17.7 Str 23.6 Skl 23.5 Spd 12.6 Luck 12.4 Def 20.0 Res 20/10 Florina 38.8 Hp 18.2 Str 20.9 Skl 23.8 Spd 21.0 Luck 10.2 Def 15.8 Res Fiora: 2.6 Hp/2.2 Def Florina: 9 Avo First off that extra Hp and Def often will not matter at all. For example, an enemy w/ 28 Atk will take 3 hits to kill both. Second, even when it does matter: Enemy w/ 25 Atk/100 Hit 31 Hit(19.22% real) and 15 Dmg(3HKO) to Florina. 40 Hit(32% real) and 13 Dmg(4HKO) to Fiora. Florina lives for 13-14 rounds. Fiora lives for 11 rounds. Winnar: Florina. Fiora is only more durable against magic. |
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Reikken: I'm halfway through reading it, but it's so bad; I can't finish. --- Inui: You say Ilia holds more weight, but I don't, since Shin >>> Pegs and Sacae is more fun due to enemies that aren't fail and not having to move through forests all day. --- SACAE. It's more fun than Ilia. | |
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| Phoenix Wright | Jan 27 2007, 02:18 PM Post #24 |
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Not really. If we look at 20/20 stats - the period where these differences occur - and compare to an HHM Swordmaster, we see this: Paladin - 42 HP, 15 Str, 12 Skl, 12 Spd, 0 Lck, 10 Def, 6 Res Swordmaster (Silver Lance) - 30 Atk, 99 Hit, 6 Critical, 12 AS, 24 Avoid, 10 Defence, 6 Resistance ^^ Randomly created Paladin, roughly based on FESSHM Pallies (no difference between the two besides Luck anyway) Florina, Iron Lance, 20/20: 74.9 Avoid, 44.8 HP, 11.7 Def Fiora, Iron Lance, 20/20: 66.0 Avoid, 48.4 HP, 14.4 Def +Fiora gets killed in 3 hits. Odds of her getting killed in three hits: .5832% +Florina gets killed in 3 hits. Odds of her getting killed in three hits: ~.2744% Fiora's odds of getting killed are nearly twice that of Florina's. Against things like Warriors, Fiora will have something like .08% chance of getting hit (2% before RN conversion) per turn; not bad at all, but Florina will be untouchable. |
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| Valter | Jan 27 2007, 02:28 PM Post #25 |
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I didn't really like any of them, but Florina was the best of them. |
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| C475_1337 | Jan 27 2007, 03:02 PM Post #26 |
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Something I've been wondering, how would you go about finding the odds of death in, say, 6 attacks, using those same stats? |
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| Phoenix Wright | Jan 27 2007, 03:45 PM Post #27 |
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Hmm...you'd have to get hit thrice out of six attempts. I'm gonna need to set this up in a chart format for it to be easiest. The numbers going across the top: Odds of Being Hit | Odds of not Being Hit. Numbers going down are the results of the previous attack; n: means the amount of times hit.
Yes, the first five charts do not pertain directly to the question. That's the buildup to the chart we need: the sixth one. Specifically, look at the column with (0-6):. Those are the odds of being hit that many times. For example, the odds of being hit six times in a row is .015625, or 1-2%. There's no simpler way to do it, though, to my knowledge. Sorry. :/ |
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| PhantomZero | Jan 27 2007, 11:07 PM Post #28 |
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I voted Florina, she turns out to be more useful that Fiora every single playthrough (Although they still can't beat Farina). |
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| Light Yagami | Jan 27 2007, 11:16 PM Post #29 |
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As dog as a Fetch
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They probably can't beat her one on one but they sure as hell beat her in usefulness and as units. |
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| Hakado | Jan 28 2007, 12:43 AM Post #30 |
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As a unit, I'd call Florina the best. That Lyn support w1ns >_> |
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