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Florina vs Fiora; nt
Topic Started: Jan 25 2007, 08:22 PM (1,360 Views)
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Florina easily. If your only strong hold is Dodge, it better be godly.
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Vegeta
Jan 25 2007, 09:42 PM
Fiora is great against magic users.

And the inferior vs anything else.

Only once the rest of your team is doubling reliably. Fiora's not as weak as you're making her out to be; a double attack from her is doing more damage than a single hit from everyone else, which is commonly what you'll see for a little while after she joins.

But yeah, she starts to get lackluster near the end.
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Sep 14 2008, 06:16 PM
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Jan 26 2007, 09:06 AM
Florina easily. If your only strong hold is Dodge, it better be godly.

I consider 14.4 Defense, 24.3 Res and 48.4 HP a pretty decent defensive combination.

Fiora beats Florina by 2.7 Defense, 5 Res and 3.6 HP.
Florina beats Fiora by 0.3 Speed and 10.3 Luck. That's 10.9 Dodge.

2.7 Defense + 5 Res + 3.6 HP > 10.9 Dodge, imo.

Offensively, Florina only beats Fiora by 0.6 Strength, 0.3 Attack Speed (which turns into Fiora's advantage when you consider her superior Con) and 3.55 Accuracy.

Offensively, Florina is clearly superior to Fiora, but by very ridiculously small margins. The only thing over 1 point is Accuracy, which is probably the least important. Defensively is a clear and bigger win for Fiora.

When you take into account Florina's support with Lyn and earlier joining time, she ends up winning, however. :(
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Nah, Dodge in this kind of amounts is better than a concrete lead in defences. 5 Res doesn't mean much since the spellcasters that are dangerous enough to warrant Res ignore Res entirely. 3 HP and Def don't override the difference between 10 Hit and 0 Hit.
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Fraulein Holls
Sep 14 2008, 06:16 PM
Some Kind Of Monster - Metallica

>> Metallica wub all of a sudden

Say, I know a member currently going by Ron DeLite who also loves Metallica, you two should totally hook up.
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Jan 27 2007, 10:36 AM
Nah, Dodge in this kind of amounts is better than a concrete lead in defences. 5 Res doesn't mean much since the spellcasters that are dangerous enough to warrant Res ignore Res entirely. 3 HP and Def don't override the difference between 10 Hit and 0 Hit.

That's some seriously shitty accuracy if they have 0 hit on Florina and 10 hit on Fiora. Aside from that given situation, there's just a 10% chance that the enemy will hit Fiora and not Florina. It's there and it's significant, but considering Fiora will take significantly less damage per hit she does take...Out of ten enemy hits, Fiora will end up taking 27 less overall damage than Florina due to her superior defense (not taking into account the possible spellcasters) while Florina will only dodge one of those ten attacks. Unless that one attack she dodges is worth 28 damage (which is just ridiculous), Fiora is better off defensively.
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lol rubbish. First stop looking at 20/20 stats.

20/10 Fiora
41.4 Hp
17.7 Str
23.6 Skl
23.5 Spd
12.6 Luck
12.4 Def
20.0 Res

20/10 Florina
38.8 Hp
18.2 Str
20.9 Skl
23.8 Spd
21.0 Luck
10.2 Def
15.8 Res

Fiora: 2.6 Hp/2.2 Def
Florina: 9 Avo

First off that extra Hp and Def often will not matter at all. For example, an enemy w/ 28 Atk will take 3 hits to kill both. Second, even when it does matter:

Enemy w/ 25 Atk/100 Hit

31 Hit(19.22% real) and 15 Dmg(3HKO) to Florina.
40 Hit(32% real) and 13 Dmg(4HKO) to Fiora.

Florina lives for 13-14 rounds.
Fiora lives for 11 rounds.

Winnar: Florina.

Fiora is only more durable against magic.
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Not really. If we look at 20/20 stats - the period where these differences occur - and compare to an HHM Swordmaster, we see this:

Paladin - 42 HP, 15 Str, 12 Skl, 12 Spd, 0 Lck, 10 Def, 6 Res
Swordmaster (Silver Lance) - 30 Atk, 99 Hit, 6 Critical, 12 AS, 24 Avoid, 10 Defence, 6 Resistance

^^ Randomly created Paladin, roughly based on FESSHM Pallies (no difference between the two besides Luck anyway)

Florina, Iron Lance, 20/20: 74.9 Avoid, 44.8 HP, 11.7 Def
Fiora, Iron Lance, 20/20: 66.0 Avoid, 48.4 HP, 14.4 Def

+Fiora gets killed in 3 hits. Odds of her getting killed in three hits: .5832%
+Florina gets killed in 3 hits. Odds of her getting killed in three hits: ~.2744%

Fiora's odds of getting killed are nearly twice that of Florina's. Against things like Warriors, Fiora will have something like .08% chance of getting hit (2% before RN conversion) per turn; not bad at all, but Florina will be untouchable.
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Fraulein Holls
Sep 14 2008, 06:16 PM
Some Kind Of Monster - Metallica

>> Metallica wub all of a sudden

Say, I know a member currently going by Ron DeLite who also loves Metallica, you two should totally hook up.
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I didn't really like any of them, but Florina was the best of them.
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Simon
Jan 27 2007, 07:18 PM
Not really. If we look at 20/20 stats - the period where these differences occur - and compare to an HHM Swordmaster, we see this:

Paladin - 42 HP, 15 Str, 12 Skl, 12 Spd, 0 Lck, 10 Def, 6 Res
Swordmaster (Silver Lance) - 30 Atk, 99 Hit, 6 Critical, 12 AS, 24 Avoid, 10 Defence, 6 Resistance

^^ Randomly created Paladin, roughly based on FESSHM Pallies (no difference between the two besides Luck anyway)

Florina, Iron Lance, 20/20: 74.9 Avoid, 44.8 HP, 11.7 Def
Fiora, Iron Lance, 20/20: 66.0 Avoid, 48.4 HP, 14.4 Def

+Fiora gets killed in 3 hits. Odds of her getting killed in three hits: .5832%
+Florina gets killed in 3 hits. Odds of her getting killed in three hits: ~.2744%

Fiora's odds of getting killed are nearly twice that of Florina's. Against things like Warriors, Fiora will have something like .08% chance of getting hit (2% before RN conversion) per turn; not bad at all, but Florina will be untouchable.

Something I've been wondering, how would you go about finding the odds of death in, say, 6 attacks, using those same stats?
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Hmm...you'd have to get hit thrice out of six attempts.

I'm gonna need to set this up in a chart format for it to be easiest. The numbers going across the top: Odds of Being Hit | Odds of not Being Hit. Numbers going down are the results of the previous attack; n: means the amount of times hit.

First Attack Results and Second Attack
 
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      | .5  | .5
1: .5 | .25 | .25
0: .5 | .25 | .25


Second Attack Results and Third Attack
 
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        | .5   | .5
2: .25  | .125 | .125
1: .5   | .25  | .25
0: .25  | .125 | .125


Third Attack Results and Fourth Attack
 
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        | .5    | .5
3: .125 | .0625 | .0625
2: .375 | .1875 | .1875
1: .375 | .1875 | .1875
0: .125 | .0625 | .0625


Fourth Attack Results and Fifth Attack
 
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         | .5     | .5
4: .0625 | .03125 | .03125
3: .25   | .125   | .125
2: .375  | .1875  | .1875
1: .25   | .125   | .125
0: .0625 | .03125 | .03125


Fifth Attack Results and Sixth Attack
 
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          | .5      | .5
5: .03125 | .015625 | .015625
4: .15625 | .078275 | .078275
3: .3125  | .15625  | .15625
2: .3125  | .15625  | .15625
1: .15625 | .078275 | .078725
0: .03125 | .015625 | .015625


Sixth Attack Results and Seventh Attack
 
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           | .5       | .5
6: .015625 | .0078125 | .0078125
5: .0939   | .04695   | .04695
4: .234525 | .1172625 | .1172625
3: .3125   | .015625  | .015625
2: .234525 | .1172625 | .1172625
1: .0939   | .04695   | .04695
0: .015625 | .0078125 | .0078125


Yes, the first five charts do not pertain directly to the question. That's the buildup to the chart we need: the sixth one. Specifically, look at the column with (0-6):. Those are the odds of being hit that many times. For example, the odds of being hit six times in a row is .015625, or 1-2%.

There's no simpler way to do it, though, to my knowledge. Sorry. :/
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Fraulein Holls
Sep 14 2008, 06:16 PM
Some Kind Of Monster - Metallica

>> Metallica wub all of a sudden

Say, I know a member currently going by Ron DeLite who also loves Metallica, you two should totally hook up.
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I voted Florina, she turns out to be more useful that Fiora every single playthrough (Although they still can't beat Farina).
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Jan 28 2007, 04:07 AM
I voted Florina, she turns out to be more useful that Fiora every single playthrough (Although they still can't beat Farina).

They probably can't beat her one on one but they sure as hell beat her in usefulness and as units.
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As a unit, I'd call Florina the best.

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