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Topic Started: Jan 29 2007, 08:10 PM (1,624 Views)
Inui
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SirHakado
Jan 31 2007, 06:13 PM
Louise and Hawkeye only shine when used as a threesome with Pent.

So no, they dont exactly count.

And Hawkeye's offence is still not good considering he wont double.
And sure, his Res is good. Yaye?

N00b enemies have 0 LUK to counteract Hawkeye's 40+ base critical not even counting a killer axe that makes it like 70+.
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that moron that forgot this is s11

Correct, he's at 20/10, more or less; he'll be sapping the Exp of the party if you actively use him enough to get him to 20/15+.

And when he doesn't critical he doesn't kill. That Killer Axe ain't there for long and when it ain't there he's got a good 36% chance of not killing.

Oh, and he won't kill reall sturdy enemies even with a critical.

Louise is fail. Geitz, not Rath, is her competition, and Geitz >> Supported Louise. Pent wants a Hawkeye support? No, he wants his Canas support first, since Canas > Hawkeye and Canas's affinity >> Hawkeye's affinity.
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Fraulein Holls
Sep 14 2008, 06:16 PM
Some Kind Of Monster - Metallica

>> Metallica wub all of a sudden

Say, I know a member currently going by Ron DeLite who also loves Metallica, you two should totally hook up.
God of Thunder - KISS

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C475_1337
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Wil and Rebecca are useless since Wil is slow and Rebecca is basically in the same boat as Wolt when it comes to raisability, if that's a word...


??/15 Louise
34.6 Hp
16.4 Str
18.4 Skl
21.4 Spd
19.3 Luck
11.2 Def
15.3 Res
6 Con

A Pent
B Hawkeye

20/10 Rebecca
37.8 Hp
18.2 Str
20.0 Skl
23.7 Spd
18.0 Luck
9.2 Def
11.4 Res
6 Con

A Lowen
B Raven

I even gave Louise a big level lead for no reason at all and she’s still obviously losing.

Raisability? Note that I said:

Purely statistically speaking, at least.

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Rath, meh. His supports don't exist. Supported Louise > Rath.


No, his Guy support most definitely exists. Normally I’d mention that Guy is a meh kind of unit, but since we’re using Louise here and Guy > Louise(not to mention, you like to put Guy in the top ten)……

20/10 Rath
45.6 Hp
21.0 Str
18.8 Skl
22.0 Spd
11.6 Luck
12.2 Def
10.5 Res
8 Con

A Guy

Louise phails here too. Everyone can support, the fact that Louise can isn’t helping her crap stats. Maybe if she was the only unit that can support, but that’s clearly not the case.

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What's wrong with Hawkeye?

OMG BAD SPD.

Yet...amazing everywhere else.

You overrate SPD too much.


Spd is indeed the most important stat. No one’s overrating it. And if Hawkeye was awesome at everything else, then yeah, he’d still be good. Look at Hector and Oswin, their Spd is low, and they’re still good.

Except, Hawkeye’s other stats aren’t good. Unimpressive at both Def and Avo, and when you couple that with being locked to a single weapon type, you get unimpressive defense. Str is only middling, so when you couple it with garbage Spd, you get bad offense.

I might even go so far as to argue that a trained Dorcas > Hawkeye. At Hawkeye’s base LvL, Dorcas is behind by 1-2 points in Hp, Spd and Def, but also has moar Str, Bows, and will actually have Supports(most likely with Oswin). Hawkeye most likely isn't getting any supports at all, and if he does, he's not getting much out of 'em with his garbage affinity.
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Inui
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I'm still not convinced since I see that support triangle destroy everything very easily and never die.
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that moron that forgot this is s11

I'm not convinced Karla's bad, she just one-rounded three HM Warriors.

See where this is going?
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Fraulein Holls
Sep 14 2008, 06:16 PM
Some Kind Of Monster - Metallica

>> Metallica wub all of a sudden

Say, I know a member currently going by Ron DeLite who also loves Metallica, you two should totally hook up.
God of Thunder - KISS

rofl Chris
 
Chris says:
you know what
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someone
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me*
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when someone did
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d(-_-)b
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Inui
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Simon
Jan 31 2007, 08:21 PM
I'm not convinced Karla's bad, she just one-rounded three HM Warriors.

See where this is going?

The PentHawkeyeLouise trio has consistently demolished all enemies as well as survived any onslaught of enemies in every playthrough I've used the trio together.

It's not as simple as "Karla killed three Warriors with lucky criticals" like you're making it seem like.
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Ya ya ya, good for you. Personal Experience/10.
Reikken: I'm halfway through reading it, but it's so bad; I can't finish.

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Inui: You say Ilia holds more weight, but I don't, since Shin >>> Pegs and Sacae is more fun due to enemies that aren't fail and not having to move through forests all day.

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CATS
Jan 31 2007, 08:46 PM
Ya ya ya, good for you. Personal Experience/10.

Well, so much for the Karla Chronicles, that works fine.
Wirt
 
I conquered the world with nothing but diarrhea and depression.

Previously: Ron DeLite, Simon
Reaver for the lulz
 
Fraulein Holls
Sep 14 2008, 06:16 PM
Some Kind Of Monster - Metallica

>> Metallica wub all of a sudden

Say, I know a member currently going by Ron DeLite who also loves Metallica, you two should totally hook up.
God of Thunder - KISS

rofl Chris
 
Chris says:
you know what
Chris says:
someone
Chris says:
once said to be
Chris says:
me*
Chris says:
when someone did
Chris says:
d(-_-)b
Chris says:
wtf, how'd they invert the b?
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Inui
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CATS
Jan 31 2007, 09:46 PM
Ya ya ya, good for you. Personal Experience/10.

From a statistical viewpoint, they are vastly superior to every enemy you encounter by several times when supported together.
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that moron that forgot this is s11

No, they're not, Hawkeye's Critical ain't enough to offset his bad defence and offence without them and Louise is simply too weak to reliably damage without a critical.
Wirt
 
I conquered the world with nothing but diarrhea and depression.

Previously: Ron DeLite, Simon
Reaver for the lulz
 
Fraulein Holls
Sep 14 2008, 06:16 PM
Some Kind Of Monster - Metallica

>> Metallica wub all of a sudden

Say, I know a member currently going by Ron DeLite who also loves Metallica, you two should totally hook up.
God of Thunder - KISS

rofl Chris
 
Chris says:
you know what
Chris says:
someone
Chris says:
once said to be
Chris says:
me*
Chris says:
when someone did
Chris says:
d(-_-)b
Chris says:
wtf, how'd they invert the b?
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Inui
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Haven't exactly encountered a situation where the trio couldn't decimate everything.
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Vegeta
Feb 1 2007, 02:51 AM
CATS
Jan 31 2007, 09:46 PM
Ya ya ya, good for you.  Personal Experience/10.

From a statistical viewpoint, they are vastly superior to every enemy you encounter by several times when supported together.

So's the vast majority, if not all, of PCs in FE7. Who caers. If these three can rape, then most other units can rape better.
Reikken: I'm halfway through reading it, but it's so bad; I can't finish.

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Inui: You say Ilia holds more weight, but I don't, since Shin >>> Pegs and Sacae is more fun due to enemies that aren't fail and not having to move through forests all day.

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CATS
Feb 1 2007, 03:28 AM
Vegeta
Feb 1 2007, 02:51 AM
CATS
Jan 31 2007, 09:46 PM
Ya ya ya, good for you.  Personal Experience/10.

From a statistical viewpoint, they are vastly superior to every enemy you encounter by several times when supported together.

So's the vast majority, if not all, of PCs in FE7. Who caers. If these three can rape, then most other units can rape better.

QFT

If those three can rape the enemies (most of the other units could, if not then they could do better)

As I've said before, even Isadora overpowers most other enemies w/o supports
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Isn't Isadora supposed to over power enemies? She's a Paladin, they're supposed to have good ATK.
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Marth-chan
Feb 1 2007, 06:42 PM
Isn't Isadora supposed to over power enemies? She's a Paladin, they're supposed to have good ATK.

What are you talking about? Isadora's strength is pretty bad, but even she can overpower the enemies. That's what Light Yagami meant.
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