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| Hakado | Jan 30 2007, 11:02 AM Post #46 |
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Using two healers detracts from the Exp for both em, making em level up and promote so much slower. Since healing is their main source of Exp before promoting, and other staves arent exactly common, this is hardly wise, since promoting your healers early is indeed in your best interest, unless you'd want two units that are total combat liabilities? And since Lyn's mode ranking dont matter for ranking the main mode, Serra can indeed have a good, solid level lead, which makes up for Prissies bonusses(mounted, better weapon after promo, since Serra will win in stats thanks to the level lead). Serra's only real negative is her slow as fuck supports. |
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| Michael | Jan 30 2007, 11:46 AM Post #47 |
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Only if you abuse on Lyn's mode and happen to still have a save slot with Lyn's mode data. I haven't bothered keeping Lyn's data around for a long time. Besides which, if you don't care about Ranking on Lyn's mode, why would you care on any other? If you do care about Ranking, then you would do it on all modes. |
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| C475_1337 | Jan 30 2007, 05:18 PM Post #48 |
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List Pent’s advantages over Erk.
No it doesn’t. If you play both Erk and Pent, you get an Erk to use during those early chapters, but your other units also get less Exp and you have to use another promo item. Not clearly beneficial overall.
You misunderstand entirely. The fact of the matter is that neither one nor the other is better; therefore, a unit making the team size one unit bigger for a certain amount of time is not clearly helping you overall.
If 20/20 was a feasible endgame level, you’d be right. However, it isn’t.
I see what you’re saying. And, unless me and you are weighing units by different standards here, then what you’re saying is wrong. You don’t even give any reasons why your position is correct, you just keep insisting “the fact that Priscilla joins earlier is an advantage.” I’m not convinced. I myself could insist that Renault is the best Magic User evar, but if I don’t back it up, who caers.
More Mag doesn’t matter nearly as much when both are healers.
If you want to get 19xx in Hector’s Mode, you’ll have to sit around abusing Nils to LvL 7 for a while. Serra can also be leveling during that time; if I have to waste turns, I’m going to get the most I can out of them.
Doesn’t matter. Ranked or Nonranked, once the main story begins Priscilla has no way to catch up with Serra until she promotes. |
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| Phoenix Wright | Jan 30 2007, 05:40 PM Post #49 |
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Joining earlier isn't an advantage in a direct comparison between the two; in that case, joining level and statistics at the joining chapter for the unit joining later are what's considered. However, joining earlier helps the team as a whole because that unit is helping the team longer. You need to assume both units are used in a comparison because there's no point to comparing the two if one unit is undeniably not being used; thusly, Priscilla is being used from the moment she joins to the moment when the games ends. She's aiding the team by providing a second healer, even if the statement that she's the inferior healer is correct; even if we assume Serra does better, Priscilla still does better than Pent because Pent isn't there to help the team with his staves. |
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| C475_1337 | Jan 30 2007, 06:12 PM Post #50 |
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| Psiwri | Jan 30 2007, 06:19 PM Post #51 |
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I'm going to say Pent > Canas > Serra > Priscilla > Lucius > Erk and not back it up with anything. kthxbye |
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| Merk | Jan 30 2007, 07:05 PM Post #52 |
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In Priscilla's case, if you're using her, you're not using Serra, and you for sure need a healer. Thus, she'd be used. If Unit A's being used, then if Unit A has 7000 usefulness points for when unit B does not exist, and then unit B has 1 usefulness point more than A after they both exist, then unit A wins. FE6 Marcus in Hard Mode has usefulness during the first few chapters and then is obliterated by the other paladins thereafter, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't be played during those chapters.
Agreed, but I don't see how I've implied otherwise. |
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| Kovu | Jan 30 2007, 07:14 PM Post #53 |
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Is this topic for: - usefulness? - statistics? or - general likability? I have three very different lists, and no Nino doesn't top all three. ~ Kovu |
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| C475_1337 | Jan 30 2007, 07:27 PM Post #54 |
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Not necessarily. There’s no problem with two healers in HM.
Yeah, if someone is excelling for a certain section, that’s worth mentioning. It doesn’t happen here, though.
By awarding extra points to a unit simply for joining earlier. In Chapter 16, yes, Erk is there and Pent is not; no, that is not necessarily beneficial to the team. It’s beneficial to Erk, no doubt, but Erk is not the focus of the game. |
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| Phoenix Wright | Jan 30 2007, 07:50 PM Post #55 |
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Whichever you want ti to be, really. The discussion CATS and co. are having right now is more geared toward the first two than the latter, but if you just like Nino for whatever reason and throw her on top, I'm not gonna eat you. |
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| Merk | Jan 30 2007, 08:45 PM Post #56 |
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Hmm. I see joining time as a separate advantage and experience competition as a separate disadvantage, whereas you seem to join the two together as a disadvantage overall. Experience competition brings Erk down since he's not very vital to the early-game and more important units need experience. However, for a unit like Clarine, who is your best healer by a good margin, the fact that she exists for some amount of chapters and is healing during that time is an advantage over, say, Percival. |
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| Phoenix Wright | Jan 30 2007, 08:56 PM Post #57 |
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Not if this unit pulls from a separate Exp pool. Priscilla competes with Serra for Exp if they're played together; if Erk lowering the team's level a little bit hurts enough to offset the bonus you get from playing him in addition to the others, then the healers cutting into each other's Exp should nigh-condemn each other. Thus, I'd assume the healers are played individually, because I'm unconvinced that two healers aren't shooting each other for Exp (nevermind the irony in that). If they are individually played, Priscilla joining earlier helps her in comparison to Pent, because she provides a unique and vital function without interfering with the team's Exp, thus bringing quite a nice bit of earlygame healer value to the table against Pent. The same can be said of Serra against Pent. Note that I'm not advocating that either healer > Pent, simply trying to clarify on how the joining time is or at least can be an advantage for Priscilla. |
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| C475_1337 | Jan 30 2007, 09:36 PM Post #58 |
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Oh, sure. That’s the advantage she gets from being the best healer.
Eh, that works for Serra much better than Priscilla, as Serra’s the best healer. I don’t think it’s saving either one of them, though; since Pent has A Staves, if you must pick between him and your healer when he comes in, the healer is going to go first. |
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| Phoenix Wright | Jan 30 2007, 09:40 PM Post #59 |
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...Did I help explain that a bit better? >_> |
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| C475_1337 | Jan 30 2007, 09:42 PM Post #60 |
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Yeah, Healers can do that. |
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