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Magic users!; ((Because this place needs moar debaet))
Topic Started: Jan 29 2007, 08:10 PM (1,628 Views)
Light Yagami
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^ Basically what I said but cut out Athos


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SirHakado
Jan 31 2007, 03:57 AM
A in staves means nothing?

>_>

Since WHEN? There ARE staves over E-rank you know, and Nino wont be using any of em.

And Nino's growth are higher? No shit, Pent's a prepromo.
Nino still takes till post-promo, which, unless you feed the girl exp like cake to a hungry african, wont happen.
She takes alot of effort (weakening, killstealing), just to get up to par with Pent.

If your using Serra or Priscilla, they should already have an A in staves by the time you get Pent, if not promoted w/ an S. You don't need an A in staves to use Heal, which is one of the most useful in the game, with it's high use and how common it is. All I meant is that Sages primary purpose is to fight with Anima, not be healers. Using a Sage just for healing almost defeats the purpose, when you have a usable Valkyrie in the game at chapter 14. Sages can do just fine without Staves, and so can Bishops and Druids.


@Light Yagami:

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Heroes aren't ment to be fighters so I guess they shouldn't wield axes

Without Axes, they are nothing more then SM's without the critical bonus.

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and Warriors aren't ment to use bows so God forbid we have Geitz kill off some Wyvern Lords.

Without Bows, they are nothing more then Berserker's without the critical bonus.

I don't see how either of the two examples are the same as sages w/ staves. There are no anima-exclusive classes in the game, so just slap a critical bonus on a sage and s/he is good to go. The only reason you should have sages as healers is if your primary healers (Serra, Priscilla) either didn't turn out well, or you just didn't use them. However, Druids have a higher cap. 1 point, but still higher.

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Finally, you highly underestimate the enemies in the game. "Any unit can 1HKO" is FALSE. This isn't the FE8 baord, just to let you know.

That's true if your having SM's attack Generals. Beyond that, a normal team could kill most enemies in 1 turn.

@Vegeta:

You know, bashing me for my opinion is rather n00bish, not to flame or anything, just IMO.

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No. Everything you said is wrong. Nino is absolutely worthless and has no place on your team.

On my team, Nino is a perfect fit. I use many, if not all, archetypes regardless, and anyone else that I see fit. Just because she doesn't work for your team doesn't mean she fails, you know.

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For what purpose? Final chapter power? Athos is better than her in that aspect thanks to better stats and Forblaze.

And this has to do with Nino </> pent, how? Athos is better then Nino, but his rank was based on the fact that I never get a chance to use him.

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Pent having all of that staff utility adds to his usefulness, regardless of whether you believe he's "meant" for it or not.

Usefulness that Serra/Priscilla should already have, by the way. You can suffice with a heal or mend staff anyway, so what's the point?
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Inui
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Yeah, I'm not bothering with this. It's a waste of time since you've yet to give any evidence to support Nino > any other magicians or Pent < any other good magicians.
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Uhm, really now, you're being awfull short-sighted here.

I fail to see why A coming earlier, B having more then solid stats, and C having the potential for all the really usefull staves at his reach does not count as a massive advantage, making him CRUSH Nino.
Hell, even with his auto-A, Pent STILL has better supports, due to them starting sooner, and Nino... well, comes to late to be a viable partner.

And your logic is flawed. If Sages shouldnt use staves, then Valkyries shouldnt use Anima.
You have two weapon types. Use em. Higher rank? Usefull, as any weapon level is.
It gets him Restore, Sleep, Barrier, and heaps of other things.
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Jordan says:
NO. I'M A WOMAN. I'M NEVER SATISFIED

Weird as fuck, isnt he?
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Vegeta
Jan 31 2007, 04:45 AM
Yeah, I'm not bothering with this.  It's a waste of time since you've yet to give any evidence to support Nino > any other magicians or Pent < any other good magicians.

I thought it was more like a DYC, but w/e, it's cool >.>

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I fail to see why A coming earlier, B having more then solid stats, and C having the potential for all the really usefull staves at his reach does not count as a massive advantage, making him CRUSH Nino.

I don't recall saying this, but if I did, please tell me. Of course Pent obliterates Nino at first, but in the long run, Nino is better then Pent. I'm not exactly fond of prepromotes, so sorry if I sound bias <.<

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Hell, even with his auto-A, Pent STILL has better supports, due to them starting sooner, and Nino... well, comes to late to be a viable partner.

Yea, 2 free supports is so much better, right? Oh wait, no it isn't...

Honestly, would you like dragging Louise everywhere just so Pent gets his support bonus? I sure wouldn't.

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And your logic is flawed. If Sages shouldnt use staves, then Valkyries shouldnt use Anima.

I could see that happening.

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You have two weapon types. Use em. Higher rank? Usefull, as any weapon level is.

Agreed.

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It gets him Restore, Sleep, Barrier, and heaps of other things.

So should Priscilla and Serra. If you didn't train them, then Pent is fine. Otherwise, not so much.
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Jan 30 2007, 11:50 PM
Vegeta
Jan 31 2007, 04:45 AM
Yeah, I'm not bothering with this.  It's a waste of time since you've yet to give any evidence to support Nino > any other magicians or Pent < any other good magicians.

I thought it was more like a DYC, but w/e, it's cool >.>

Well, Pent and the other magic users are clearly superior.
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Vegeta
Jan 31 2007, 04:59 AM
Soren
Jan 30 2007, 11:50 PM
Vegeta
Jan 31 2007, 04:45 AM
Yeah, I'm not bothering with this.  It's a waste of time since you've yet to give any evidence to support Nino > any other magicians or Pent < any other good magicians.

I thought it was more like a DYC, but w/e, it's cool >.>

Well, Pent and the other magic users are clearly superior.

Circles are fun, no? </spam>
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And posting little tidbits of crap without backing them up is n00bish, no?
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Here is why Nino is worthless, summed up in one word:

Athos.

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Zomg I tink random mage in chapter 5 wuz the best unit evar!
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NO WAI, RANDOM BRIGAND FROM TEH PROLOGUE, BISH
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Jordan says:
NO. I'M A WOMAN. I'M NEVER SATISFIED

Weird as fuck, isnt he?
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Light Yagami
Jan 31 2007, 12:43 AM
And posting little tidbits of crap without backing them up is n00bish, no?

It's my job to be the asshole here.
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Psiwri
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Uther.

Game Over.

Try again.

:hmm:

I almost want to move Canas to my top spot.
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Light Yagami
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Lawl

Anywho, its pretty much fact that Pent> Erk> Nino. DURR

If not then Pent>Erk> Inui> Nino.

@ Vageta- Hey I'm an asshole every now and then. If you've met me in person you'de probably be shocked at what I say about any person walking bye.
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Vegeta, luckily for all of us, you're not the only asshole.

WHATCHA GONNA DO NOW, HUH?
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Jordan says:
NO. I'M A WOMAN. I'M NEVER SATISFIED

Weird as fuck, isnt he?
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