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| Inui | Jan 31 2007, 09:39 AM Post #106 |
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That's all of them. Lyndis will already have all of her supports by the time Rath joins. Wil is garbage. Guy is likely to be with Priscilla or even Matthew(the wind affinity makes Guy's offensive power incredible). Hawkeye's only other options are Pent and Louise, really. He can B with both and get great offensive boosts from Louise and defensive boosts from Pent. Louise is obviously good after her supports come in. Her STR becomes 21, and her Crit becomes 32 without even using a Killer/Short Bow. Bai bai bad offense. 16 DEF and 21 RES after supports. 74 Evd. Let's assume her hit is always 100, since it's pretty much true after her already fine hit gets 25 added to it. Not bad parameters at all. Her supports make her great. |
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| AdamNW | Jan 31 2007, 09:43 AM Post #107 |
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Needs moar Sety
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*sigh* Hard to have an opinion around here isn't it? w/e |
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| Inui | Jan 31 2007, 09:49 AM Post #108 |
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When fact totally contradicts it, yes. No matter how much your "opinion" tells you that 1 > 2, it's still false in the end. |
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| Crysta | Jan 31 2007, 09:51 AM Post #109 |
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wat
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They won't flame you for it, regardless, unless they wish to be warned.
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| Inui | Jan 31 2007, 09:55 AM Post #110 |
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The godly Sage himself has entered the topic! ![]() Elfire isn't actually good, btw. You lose 2 AS from it. Thunder has 2 less Atk for 2 more AS and 5 Crit. Sounds like a good trade to me. Go Thunder. |
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| AdamNW | Jan 31 2007, 09:56 AM Post #111 |
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Needs moar Sety
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It's no fact that Pent > Nino, or that Nino > Pent. In dozens of ways, Pent > Nino. In dozens of ways, Nino > Pent. Anyone can say that Marcus is the best unit in FE7, in a way, they're right. It's juts a matter of opinions. |
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| Hatake Asuka | Jan 31 2007, 10:03 AM Post #112 |
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Gakutorishiusu
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No, you're missing the point here. It's my opinion that Athos is a shitty character. FACT is that he's awesome. It is a FACT that Pent is better. in your OPINION Nino is better and the reasons for Pent being better are false. |
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| Inui | Jan 31 2007, 10:04 AM Post #113 |
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No. Name one thing besides final chapter averages and helping the EXP rating(which should be constantly at 5 stars anyways) that Nino has over Pent. Pent is better than Nino, period. 1. Superior statistics until the very end of the game. 2. A staff level immediately, making his staff utility the same as any of your top healers and superior to all of your other mages. 3. Automatic A support with a good unit, meaning his late joining time doesn't hurt his supporting at all. 4. High CON allows for the use of stronger Anima spells without losing his ability to DA in many cases. 5. His base statistics are incredibly strong, meaning RNG rape isn't possible for him and he'll always be powerful regardless of how cruel RNG decides to be, which is an advantage the other mages do not have. Nino is garbage. 1. Joins with incredibly weak statistics and is vastly outclassed by all of your units. 2. Raising her causes you to slow down and have her fight without winning, which harms your Tactics and Combat ratings. 3. Her support utility is nonexistent since all of her support options will already be fully supported by the time she joins. 4. She isn't powerful until the final chapter, or perhaps one or two chapters before it. You get Athos for the final chapter, who easily outclasses all other magic users. 5. Her CON is very low, and harms her AS and Evd often, which she normally relies on quite heavily. ^ All total fact, not opinion. |
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| Hatake Asuka | Jan 31 2007, 10:07 AM Post #114 |
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Why bother training a unit that comes at low level and will take experience from other units, with the enormous risk of harming ranks, over a unit that comes ready to go, is also godly and rapes the enemy units? It´s like spending the last of your savings on the end of a very long journey to buy a slightly newer car for the last 10 miles, when the old is only a year older and works like a miracle. |
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| Crysta | Jan 31 2007, 10:09 AM Post #115 |
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BUT I LIEK ELFZ Most people like Nino because of her omgawesome endgame stats, I find. Unfortunately, they're endgame and she comes in late and extremely under leveled. That trashes most of her vitality. So that's why it's not a popular opinion here. It doesn't give anyone the right to tar and feather people, though.
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| Inui | Jan 31 2007, 10:14 AM Post #116 |
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I'm not tar and feathering anyone. Just stating facts. Here's another reason why Nino fails. She takes valuable EXP from your trio of Lords that just got promoted. All three Lords are superior to her, even in the endgame, and want/need that EXP more. Kthx. |
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| Crysta | Jan 31 2007, 10:19 AM Post #117 |
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You haven't yet. But being proud of being an asshole to people worries me. You might have better luck arguing if this was Pent versus Nino with endgame stats, Soren. These things are usually based in the context of the game itself. |
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| Inui | Jan 31 2007, 10:20 AM Post #118 |
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Nino's endgame stats are only slightly better, anyways, when you take her garbage CON into account. |
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| Nick | Jan 31 2007, 11:04 AM Post #119 |
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It saddens me when people say Hawkeye is a bad unit, as with supports he is kickass. Without supports he's hardly bad. Louise is also a decent unit with supports, and the Pent/Hawkeye/Louise triangle is awesome. Not to mention they're all badass in their own was (Coolness/Surfer in desert/Good looking). |
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| Hatake Asuka | Jan 31 2007, 11:59 AM Post #120 |
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Hawkeye's critical is utter h4x with a support ring. Over 70 with a killer weapon. Not to mention that Louise with those supports is a beast. The first time I tried this support ring I immediately dropped Wil. Louise's stats were nowhere near as good as his, but her performance in battle was much better. |
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