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| Which mediocre axeman would you rather use in HM? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Feb 26 2007, 11:16 PM (861 Views) | |
| Hakado | Feb 27 2007, 10:50 AM Post #16 |
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That would be Bartre. And Ninian/Nils>Bartre, Dorcas and Dart >_> |
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| Nick | Feb 27 2007, 10:55 AM Post #17 |
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GARCIA IS NO TRAINEE :psio: :psio: :psio: Garcia is awesome
-agreed with Hakado about Ninian and Nils, apart from having to get Nils to darned level seven on Lyn mode
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| Inui | Feb 27 2007, 12:47 PM Post #18 |
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His HP/DEF/RES/LUK combo is ridiculous; only surpassed by the likes of Oswin and such. He's got vastly superior defenses to most other units. Just because he isn't Oswin or Hector doesn't mean he's not a juggernaut. Do you honestly have issues with Hawkeye dying? He's never died on me before. |
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| Merk | Feb 27 2007, 01:40 PM Post #19 |
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Dorcas. I'm not going to use *any* of them in the long haul; Raven can do axes postpromotion and so can the cavaliers, and Hector works well too. So, assuming that I drop my axeman mid to late-game, Dorcas is actually very good in the early-game, lacking Bartre's SPD problem. |
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| Michael | Feb 27 2007, 02:07 PM Post #20 |
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But there are so many people better than him at it. And his offense is laughable at best. |
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| Inui | Feb 27 2007, 02:25 PM Post #21 |
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Better than Hawkeye defensively? No. That's a blatant lie. His defensive parameters are really good. |
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| Michael | Feb 27 2007, 02:34 PM Post #22 |
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Uh, Hector, Oswin, Lowin, and HHM Harken are all as good or better than him in straight Def stats. However, when you factor in Hawkeye's crap-tastic speed, the fact that he will actually get double attacked with crappy Evade kills his defensive ratings, making units who are slightly worse than him Def-wise actually better. And ALL of those units are better than him offensively. Hell, Eliwood has better Def/Res, and only 5.4 less HP. While I will absolutely defend Eliwood as a great unit, he's NOT a tank. Plus, Eliwood has Evasion, Hawkeye doesn't. |
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| Nick | Feb 27 2007, 02:52 PM Post #23 |
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Hang on; his offense is laughable? I take issue with that. His strength has a base of 18. That's really pretty good. His accuracy is good. He wields axes. Granted, he barely doubles anyone. A lot of units don't double a lot of people; those that double more units are obviously superior in this regard. This doesn't make his offense laughable by any means. And I <3 his bases. |
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| Percival | Feb 27 2007, 03:53 PM Post #24 |
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Stats? Yes. But stats aren't everything. Even though those units surpass him in the endgame, Hawkeye is dominating every one of those units except Oswin and Paladin Lowen. Hawkeye is nearly unkillable. He surpasses them in HP midgame and RES/DEF ratio endgame. Those units except for Oswin will not have tanking ability for all of the game; just endgame. Tanking much better for around 8 Chps>Tanking a bit better for like 4 chapters. And Hawkeye can still tank endgame. His Resistance is underrated, as you need it for the HM status staffs. None of the units you mentioned have that ability. As for offence, Hawkeye's Wind affinity makes his Critical much much better. And his supports are reasonably quick. So he can kill enemies with his good Crit, leaving a decent chunk without. You named four people that are "better", and yet you said many are better defensively. Name more.
That's at like 20/20 Eliwood. Hawkeye has a good lvl lead by then. Eliwood isn't going 20/20 in HM; Hawkeye might though. So you're comparing a unit that has full potential with another that doesn't? Nah. Hawkeye is better than Eliwood defensively throughout the whole game. |
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| Bosceon | Feb 27 2007, 03:54 PM Post #25 |
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姚明
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Bartre. |
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| Michael | Feb 27 2007, 04:07 PM Post #26 |
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Well, you're wrong. His offense IS laughable. He has the lowest Str of all the Axemen - including the Heroes and Generals. He has the third worst Spd in the game, beating only Dorcas and Wallace, both of whome are crap. He also has the third worst accuracy in the game (unless Bartre switches to a bow, then Hawkeye has the second worst). He won't be double attacking, he doesn't have the Str to land OHKOs, and he doesn't even have the Accuracy to hit consistantly. His Str is on par with units like Eliwood, Raven, and Harken. While that is good, in and of itself, Eliwood, Raven, and Harken all have significant;y better Speed and Accuracy, allowing them to double basically everything, and to hit more often. Hawkeye's offense is one of the worst in the game. Period. His only hope is to use a Killer Axe, which hursts his accuracy even more. And even with that, his poor Skl keeps him from having a Sword Master's Crit should he actually land a blow.
Okay. His bases (aside from Spd) are pretty good. His growths are horrible. HP is the only thing he even has at 50%. Sure his bases can make him a good unit for maybe three chapters, but your other units quickly surpass him. Face it. He is one of your worst units offensively, beating maybe Wallace and Renault. He's a decent meatshield, but even Eliwood is considerably better as a tank. Hawkeye is one of the worst units in FE7. Period. Edit:
Actually, Hawkeye is only better than some units for a couple chapters after he joins you. Hardly a significant portion of the game.
Eliwood should DEFINANTLY go 20/20 in HHM (especially as he can promote earlier). Hawkeye should never go 20/20. He gets surpassed too quickly/easily. Plus, his "great" level lead is actually pretty small. By the time you get Hawkeye, your good units should already be promoting. |
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| Percival | Feb 27 2007, 04:55 PM Post #27 |
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You didn't prove anything wrong. Eliwood isn't anything close to Hawkeye's tanking ability until endgame. So your Eliwood gets 19 lvls in like 7 chapters in a mode with reduced EXP? No. Not unless you solo, and Eliwood isn't soloing with 15 speed at lvl 1 in a chapter full of wyverns that you aren't one rounding. Hawkeye isn't doing better, but he can critical them at least and get more exp than Eliwood. Both can finish them off the next turn. If Eliwood can't beat the wyverns with low speed, what about faster units? Eliwood might be lvl 15 unpromoted while you get Hawkeye lvl 4 promoted. Hawkeye keeps going, while Eliwood has to stop for about 3 (and sidequest with full promoted units hehe) chapters, then keep going. You're underrating his defensive leads for the whole game. Plus he gets some defense from PentxLouise triangle. Eliwood wins by 2 RES overall at 20/20. Whoop-dee-doo. And Hawkeye has the good HP lead. If Eliwood is reaching it, so is Hawkeye. Hell even if Eliwood gets full defence from supports, so can Hawkeye (A Ninian, B Pent). Eliwood doesn't get better defence. Eliwood isn't surpassing Hawkeye in lvls. Yeah, I suck with sentence structure. |
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| Nick | Feb 27 2007, 05:16 PM Post #28 |
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Just a note; Jedi, you should calm down. Edit: I'll put something in for the sake of it, but I'm pretty tired. So lessee... yeah, he has the lowest strength of the axemen - including heroes and generals - but not paladins? Any particular reason for that? Anyway, does that make it laughable? No. He comes last out of several classes, three of which (Berserker, Warrior, General) pride themselves on their physical power, and loses also to two heroes. Great, kudos to those units. Third worst speed in the game, hell yeah. So he doesn't double attack many units. There really aren't that many units that several other axe users will double so much more than him. And you spelled "whom" incorrectly. Accuracy? Full accuracy from supports, hell yeah! Quick supports, hell yeah! His skill problem is pretty much solved by his awesome accuracy supports. He won't be double attacking. He has a pretty goddamned massive critical rate, which allows him to land OHKO's fairly frequently with his good strength. His strength is on par with a Lord and two heroes. Give those men medals for being as strong as a berserker! Really, it's not a very good argument that three units - one of which is a main character, another of which is arguably the best unit in the game and the final one has a base strength of 21 WITHOUT HM bonuses (I'll leave you to guess which are which) are as strong as him, if what you are trying to prove is that his offense is sucky. When he arrives, this guy has 52% critical with that killer axe. Oh snap, that's criticalling every other hit. He has 104% hit. He does 29 damage per hit. That's not "laughable" for quite some time. Hawkeye's offense is one of the worst in the game. Period. His only hope is to use a Killer Axe, which hursts his accuracy even more. And even with that, his poor Skl keeps him from having a Sword Master's Crit should he actually land a blow. Swordslayer/Iron Axe/Silver Axe/Basilikos? They're the only axes that are more accurate. And with a critical rate that high, it's not that much of a problem that his hit isn't great. Great, he doesn't have a swordmaster's crit. It's still 52% when you get him. If you're calling criticalling every other hit bad, I don't know what to say. Oh yeah, period. Hawkeye's growths are 5% less than Pent's growths. Pent is one of the top five units in FE7. His highest growth is also a 50% HP growth. Is he going to be shit *checks* three chapters after? Hell no. They can't really be described as "horrible" on their own. His bases are solid. He's immediately a good candidate for taking down magic users, many of which he can OHKO at the time. His defence base is nice and big. His strength base is also very nice. His HP base - ZOMG - is 50. Very juicy. Face it. You're being waaay too aggressive, and making mistakes in the process. *Period* |
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| Michael | Feb 27 2007, 05:31 PM Post #29 |
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Excluding the fact that Hawkeye will be taking double damage from getting double attacked and almost never evading, whereas Eliwood has good Evasion and will Double attack most enemies . . . |
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| Inui | Feb 27 2007, 05:36 PM Post #30 |
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Percival is correct, Jedi is not. It's that simple. Hawkeye's total defensive statistics, as in every parameter, put him far above almost every unit in the game in durability. No, he does not get doubled. Not even by the Heroes in Victory or Death. FE 7 has the slowest enemies in FE history. The fastest ememies, with the exceptions of bosses and rare Swordmasters, have about 10 SPD in the lategame. I'm not scared of enemies that even Marcus doubles. Hawkeye's Evd is fine. His good LUK brings it up nicely, and his supports. |
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