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Which mediocre axeman would you rather use in HM?
Topic Started: Feb 26 2007, 11:16 PM (860 Views)
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Feb 27 2007, 10:16 PM
Just a note; Jedi, you should calm down.

Edit: I'll put something in for the sake of it, but I'm pretty tired.

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His offense IS laughable. He has the lowest Str of all the Axemen - including the Heroes and Generals. He has the third worst Spd in the game, beating only Dorcas and Wallace, both of whome are crap. He also has the third worst accuracy in the game (unless Bartre switches to a bow, then Hawkeye has the second worst). He won't be double attacking, he doesn't have the Str to land OHKOs, and he doesn't even have the Accuracy to hit consistantly. His Str is on par with units like Eliwood, Raven, and Harken. While that is good, in and of itself, Eliwood, Raven, and Harken all have significant;y better Speed and Accuracy, allowing them to double basically everything, and to hit more often.
So lessee... yeah, he has the lowest strength of the axemen - including heroes and generals - but not paladins? Any particular reason for that? Anyway, does that make it laughable? No. He comes last out of several classes, three of which (Berserker, Warrior, General) pride themselves on their physical power, and loses also to two heroes. Great, kudos to those units.
Third worst speed in the game, hell yeah. So he doesn't double attack many units. There really aren't that many units that several other axe users will double so much more than him. And you spelled "whom" incorrectly.
Accuracy? Full accuracy from supports, hell yeah! Quick supports, hell yeah! His skill problem is pretty much solved by his awesome accuracy supports.
He won't be double attacking. He has a pretty goddamned massive critical rate, which allows him to land OHKO's fairly frequently with his good strength. His strength is on par with a Lord and two heroes. Give those men medals for being as strong as a berserker! Really, it's not a very good argument that three units - one of which is a main character, another of which is arguably the best unit in the game and the final one has a base strength of 21 WITHOUT HM bonuses (I'll leave you to guess which are which) are as strong as him, if what you are trying to prove is that his offense is sucky.

When he arrives, this guy has 52% critical with that killer axe. Oh snap, that's criticalling every other hit. He has 104% hit. He does 29 damage per hit. That's not "laughable" for quite some time.

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Hawkeye's offense is one of the worst in the game. Period. His only hope is to use a Killer Axe, which hursts his accuracy even more. And even with that, his poor Skl keeps him from having a Sword Master's Crit should he actually land a blow.
Swordslayer/Iron Axe/Silver Axe/Basilikos? They're the only axes that are more accurate. And with a critical rate that high, it's not that much of a problem that his hit isn't great. Great, he doesn't have a swordmaster's crit. It's still 52% when you get him. If you're calling criticalling every other hit bad, I don't know what to say. Oh yeah, period.

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Okay. His bases (aside from Spd) are pretty good. His growths are horrible. HP is the only thing he even has at 50%. Sure his bases can make him a good unit for maybe three chapters, but your other units quickly surpass him.

Face it. He is one of your worst units offensively, beating maybe Wallace and Renault. He's a decent meatshield, but even Eliwood is considerably better as a tank.

Hawkeye is one of the worst units in FE7. Period.
Hawkeye's growths are 5% less than Pent's growths. Pent is one of the top five units in FE7. His highest growth is also a 50% HP growth. Is he going to be shit *checks* three chapters after? Hell no. They can't really be described as "horrible" on their own. His bases are solid. He's immediately a good candidate for taking down magic users, many of which he can OHKO at the time. His defence base is nice and big. His strength base is also very nice. His HP base - ZOMG - is 50. Very juicy.

Face it. You're being waaay too aggressive, and making mistakes in the process.

*Period*

As people have posted since this, just to clarify I did an edit.
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Good shit.
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Doesn't matter because it's only FE7. But I'd pick Dart because I like him more than the other two.
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Just to add on to his critical-

Hawkeye gets a whopping 79 critical with his Killer Axe (A Ninian, B Louise), 49 without Killer. Hahahaha. He gets more exp than Eliwood lol.

Bash my math if I did it wrong.
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I'm pretty damn sexy with these stats...
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Hawkeye a monster at anything? Rubbish. Let's see here......

20/10 Canas
39.7 Hp
12.2 Def
19.4 Res
48.9 Avo
B Pent(+10 Avo, +2 Def/Res)

20/10 Erk
39.2 Hp
10.6 Def
18.2 Res
53.2 Avo
A Priscilla/B Pent(+17 Avo, +3 Def/Res)

??/15 Hawkeye
55.5 Hp
16.2 Def
13.8 Res
45.0 Avo

Keep in mind that I gave Hawkeye a big level lead for no reason at all.

Canas vs Hawkeye is 14 Avo and 8 Res vs 16 Hp and 2 Def. Fairly even contest; Hawkeye's Hp is more but Avo is worth more point-for-point, and Canas's Res is more but Def is more valuable point-for-point.

Erk vs Hawkeye is 25 Avo and 7 Res vs 16 Hp and 3 Def. Easy win for Erk; 25 Avo steamrolls anything Hawkeye has.

The idea of Hawkeye as a tank is ridiculous. Unless Canas and Erk are now tanks too, and I've been missing that this whole time. Hawkeye's Hp is indeed high, but Hp's in a race with Res for the title of "least significant defensive stat," so I'm not impressed. His other defensive stats are certainly nothing to get excited over; above average Def but hardly tank-level, especially after considering supports that his competition will have and he won't, and pretty terrible Avo.

On top of that, he's locked to a single weapon type, which most physical attackers aren't. He also has one of the worst support lists in the game and the worst defensive affinity in the game, so even if he could get supports with any kind of consistency, which he can't, they wouldn't help him much.

Hawkeye's offense isn't turning any heads, either. Decent Str + Garbage Spd + Lack of Supports = Below Average at best.

As for the topic question, if this is HHM, then I say Dorcas. He's barely slower than Hawkeye and beating him in most other respects; he also has a good affinity and a convenient Oswin support. Bartre's 3 starting Spd is just brutal; early on he gets DA'd by everything from Mercs to Cavs to Nomads to Brigands and beyond. Dorcas's Spd is never hurting that much.
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Hawkeye's not really a tank; he's a meatshield. The difference being that the enemy will actually attack him because they deal somewhat decent damage. Then everyone else attacks them from behind and the process starts again. He's a pretty good unit for most of the game you have him.

That said, I'd take Bartre. He's just win.
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I used Dorcas on my first HM playthrough, and he did just fine for me, even in the lategame. He's crapped out on me every other time though, so I'll have to go with Bartre, 'cuz he has a bow. B)
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Feb 27 2007, 06:02 AM
But Rebecca is terrible in HM.

QFT. No Lyn's mode, excesive frailty upon recruitment, lack of HP and Def (no, her Spd won't make up for it until she gets 22+)= instafail on HHM.


I stick to the Palis and meaty units on HHM XD



(I didn't Read ALL of those long posts but I assume they're about Hawkeye and his...."Defensive capabilities")

Um, I do not recall Hawkeye ever being a good tanker. A meat shield yes, but he is deffinately not a Tank. XD
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Feb 27 2007, 07:09 PM
I used Dorcas on my first HM playthrough, and he did just fine for me, even in the lategame. He's crapped out on me every other time though, so I'll have to go with Bartre, 'cuz he has a bow. B)

Dorcas has bows as well. :Psyduck:
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1. Vast majority of units have less DEF than Hawkeye.
2. Less RES.
3. Less HP.

He's got very good defensive bases for his joining point. There's no denying his superiority for quite a while when it comes to living. He can be swarmed by almost anything and come out alive.
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On topic: I'd take Dart over the others if I'm not playing for rankings. Promoting him rapes your funds.
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Feb 27 2007, 11:49 PM
<Quote Hawkeye the monster - or not>

Meh, I never said he was a monster, so I hope that wasn't directed at me. I was just saying that his offense is definitely not as bad as Jedi made it out to be.

I'd make Hawkeye a monster for his looks, though XD
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Feb 28 2007, 05:32 AM
1. Vast majority of units have less DEF than Hawkeye.
2. Less RES.
3. Less HP.

He's got very good defensive bases for his joining point. There's no denying his superiority for quite a while when it comes to living. He can be swarmed by almost anything and come out alive.

Hawkeye's much better off than most units in HHM Genesis, that's true. Outside of that, I don't have much respect for him and don't see any reason that I should. Hot damn, 16 Def and 45 Avo at LvL 15 promoted, with one weapon type and no Supports on top!
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No supports?

Pent, Louise, Ninian. All of these units should be fielded as far as I'm concerned.
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Iunno about no supports, his supports with Pent and Louise are pretty decent. Quick supports too, 48 turns total. Not very defensive (2 points total) but I'm quite fond of that triangle. Gives him 3 more attack, 2 more defence, 20 more hit, 5 more evade (lawl), 15 more crit (that's pretty nice) 15 more crit evade (yeah, this sux. Oh well, umm... useful against swordmasters? XD).

And a C support with Ninian if you can be bothered =/

Anywho, I feel Hawkeye gets undervalued sometimes. Take my post to pieces if you wish, but I don't consider a 20/15 profile of (B Pent & Louise) like this to be too bad... (yeah, sue me for having Louise at the 20/15 stages of the game, I take the units that I like and aren't TOO shitty)...

I'll give him his old Killer Axe for kicks, it's not all that expensive and with 29X or whatever the chapter you can buy stuff on is called he can easily be equipped with one. It's also probably his best weapon. I'm also assuming he's hit S with axes.

HP: 56
Hit: 132
Dmg: 36
Crit: 73
AS: 14
Def: 18
Res: 16
Avd: 50
Crit. Evd: 32

Not too shabby in my opinion, the 73% critical and the 36 damage are pretty decent. His hit on it's own is also not too bad, and his defensive stats are pretty solid all-round. Like that critical evade

Yasure his speed still sux, I kinda consider his critical to make up for that, I mean, he'll be doing 3X the damage two out of three times with that critical. And 36 damage really isn't so bad.

He's also prettypwnage with a swordreaver/slayer B)

I dunno, CATS, what's your opinion on that?

Edit: realised I had forgotten to include the 5% critical from S rank. Oh well.
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