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| Which mediocre axeman would you rather use in HM? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Feb 26 2007, 11:16 PM (860 Views) | |
| Nick | Feb 27 2007, 05:49 PM Post #31 |
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As people have posted since this, just to clarify I did an edit. |
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| Inui | Feb 27 2007, 05:52 PM Post #32 |
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Power of Flower
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Good shit. |
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| (*Jman*) | Feb 27 2007, 06:03 PM Post #33 |
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Kakatte Koi!
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Doesn't matter because it's only FE7. But I'd pick Dart because I like him more than the other two. |
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| Percival | Feb 27 2007, 06:03 PM Post #34 |
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Knight General of Eutria
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Just to add on to his critical- Hawkeye gets a whopping 79 critical with his Killer Axe (A Ninian, B Louise), 49 without Killer. Hahahaha. He gets more exp than Eliwood lol. Bash my math if I did it wrong. |
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| C475_1337 | Feb 27 2007, 06:49 PM Post #35 |
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One serious d00d
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Hawkeye a monster at anything? Rubbish. Let's see here...... 20/10 Canas 39.7 Hp 12.2 Def 19.4 Res 48.9 Avo B Pent(+10 Avo, +2 Def/Res) 20/10 Erk 39.2 Hp 10.6 Def 18.2 Res 53.2 Avo A Priscilla/B Pent(+17 Avo, +3 Def/Res) ??/15 Hawkeye 55.5 Hp 16.2 Def 13.8 Res 45.0 Avo Keep in mind that I gave Hawkeye a big level lead for no reason at all. Canas vs Hawkeye is 14 Avo and 8 Res vs 16 Hp and 2 Def. Fairly even contest; Hawkeye's Hp is more but Avo is worth more point-for-point, and Canas's Res is more but Def is more valuable point-for-point. Erk vs Hawkeye is 25 Avo and 7 Res vs 16 Hp and 3 Def. Easy win for Erk; 25 Avo steamrolls anything Hawkeye has. The idea of Hawkeye as a tank is ridiculous. Unless Canas and Erk are now tanks too, and I've been missing that this whole time. Hawkeye's Hp is indeed high, but Hp's in a race with Res for the title of "least significant defensive stat," so I'm not impressed. His other defensive stats are certainly nothing to get excited over; above average Def but hardly tank-level, especially after considering supports that his competition will have and he won't, and pretty terrible Avo. On top of that, he's locked to a single weapon type, which most physical attackers aren't. He also has one of the worst support lists in the game and the worst defensive affinity in the game, so even if he could get supports with any kind of consistency, which he can't, they wouldn't help him much. Hawkeye's offense isn't turning any heads, either. Decent Str + Garbage Spd + Lack of Supports = Below Average at best. As for the topic question, if this is HHM, then I say Dorcas. He's barely slower than Hawkeye and beating him in most other respects; he also has a good affinity and a convenient Oswin support. Bartre's 3 starting Spd is just brutal; early on he gets DA'd by everything from Mercs to Cavs to Nomads to Brigands and beyond. Dorcas's Spd is never hurting that much. |
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Reikken: I'm halfway through reading it, but it's so bad; I can't finish. --- Inui: You say Ilia holds more weight, but I don't, since Shin >>> Pegs and Sacae is more fun due to enemies that aren't fail and not having to move through forests all day. --- SACAE. It's more fun than Ilia. | |
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| Hollie | Feb 27 2007, 07:51 PM Post #36 |
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Hawkeye's not really a tank; he's a meatshield. The difference being that the enemy will actually attack him because they deal somewhat decent damage. Then everyone else attacks them from behind and the process starts again. He's a pretty good unit for most of the game you have him. That said, I'd take Bartre. He's just win. |
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| mshortie | Feb 27 2007, 08:09 PM Post #37 |
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I used Dorcas on my first HM playthrough, and he did just fine for me, even in the lategame. He's crapped out on me every other time though, so I'll have to go with Bartre, 'cuz he has a bow.
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| Light Yagami | Feb 28 2007, 12:20 AM Post #38 |
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As dog as a Fetch
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QFT. No Lyn's mode, excesive frailty upon recruitment, lack of HP and Def (no, her Spd won't make up for it until she gets 22+)= instafail on HHM. I stick to the Palis and meaty units on HHM XD (I didn't Read ALL of those long posts but I assume they're about Hawkeye and his...."Defensive capabilities") Um, I do not recall Hawkeye ever being a good tanker. A meat shield yes, but he is deffinately not a Tank. XD |
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| Psiwri | Feb 28 2007, 12:25 AM Post #39 |
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Too Many Words
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Dorcas has bows as well.
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| Inui | Feb 28 2007, 12:32 AM Post #40 |
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1. Vast majority of units have less DEF than Hawkeye. 2. Less RES. 3. Less HP. He's got very good defensive bases for his joining point. There's no denying his superiority for quite a while when it comes to living. He can be swarmed by almost anything and come out alive. |
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| snpies | Feb 28 2007, 12:38 AM Post #41 |
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On topic: I'd take Dart over the others if I'm not playing for rankings. Promoting him rapes your funds. |
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| Nick | Feb 28 2007, 03:44 AM Post #42 |
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Meh, I never said he was a monster, so I hope that wasn't directed at me. I was just saying that his offense is definitely not as bad as Jedi made it out to be. I'd make Hawkeye a monster for his looks, though XD http://eaichu250.superbusnet.com/feartwork/FE7-9/hawkeye.png |
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| C475_1337 | Feb 28 2007, 09:03 AM Post #43 |
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Hawkeye's much better off than most units in HHM Genesis, that's true. Outside of that, I don't have much respect for him and don't see any reason that I should. Hot damn, 16 Def and 45 Avo at LvL 15 promoted, with one weapon type and no Supports on top! |
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Reikken: I'm halfway through reading it, but it's so bad; I can't finish. --- Inui: You say Ilia holds more weight, but I don't, since Shin >>> Pegs and Sacae is more fun due to enemies that aren't fail and not having to move through forests all day. --- SACAE. It's more fun than Ilia. | |
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| Inui | Feb 28 2007, 10:12 AM Post #44 |
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Power of Flower
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No supports? Pent, Louise, Ninian. All of these units should be fielded as far as I'm concerned. |
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| Nick | Feb 28 2007, 10:13 AM Post #45 |
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Iunno about no supports, his supports with Pent and Louise are pretty decent. Quick supports too, 48 turns total. Not very defensive (2 points total) but I'm quite fond of that triangle. Gives him 3 more attack, 2 more defence, 20 more hit, 5 more evade (lawl), 15 more crit (that's pretty nice) 15 more crit evade (yeah, this sux. Oh well, umm... useful against swordmasters? XD). And a C support with Ninian if you can be bothered =/ Anywho, I feel Hawkeye gets undervalued sometimes. Take my post to pieces if you wish, but I don't consider a 20/15 profile of (B Pent & Louise) like this to be too bad... (yeah, sue me for having Louise at the 20/15 stages of the game, I take the units that I like and aren't TOO shitty)... I'll give him his old Killer Axe for kicks, it's not all that expensive and with 29X or whatever the chapter you can buy stuff on is called he can easily be equipped with one. It's also probably his best weapon. I'm also assuming he's hit S with axes. HP: 56 Hit: 132 Dmg: 36 Crit: 73 AS: 14 Def: 18 Res: 16 Avd: 50 Crit. Evd: 32 Not too shabby in my opinion, the 73% critical and the 36 damage are pretty decent. His hit on it's own is also not too bad, and his defensive stats are pretty solid all-round. Yasure his speed still sux, I kinda consider his critical to make up for that, I mean, he'll be doing 3X the damage two out of three times with that critical. And 36 damage really isn't so bad. He's also prettypwnage with a swordreaver/slayer I dunno, CATS, what's your opinion on that? Edit: realised I had forgotten to include the 5% critical from S rank. Oh well. |
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