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| Which characters fall into the Low Tier category?; Debate stuffz | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Mar 2 2007, 01:19 AM (1,773 Views) | |
| Percival | Mar 6 2007, 12:44 PM Post #46 |
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Knight General of Eutria
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She has 4 base strength. Awesome. So easy to train. She's not DAing in a while. Louise comes ready to DA and with a Silver Bow. Babying maybe be "easy", but seriously, if she had some trouble NM, how about HM? Her supports aren't that good. Awesome. Lowen will be away supporting with Marcus and Eliwood, much faster supports. Raven and Sain also have faster supports. And better support options. They don't need attack because they have awesome Strength to begin with and are one rounding most opponents regardless. Faster supports>"Better" supports because you get them throughout more of the game, rather than some of the game. And supports give bonuses regardless of how good they are. |
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| C475_1337 | Mar 6 2007, 05:25 PM Post #47 |
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One serious d00d
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If your mentality is "Rebecca, Wil, Bartre and Dorcas aren't worth training," the exact same mindset tells us "Louise, Hawkeye and Jaffar aren't worth using." These are Low Tier units; most teams will not include them. The question is, in the event that you do choose to use them, who is better? |
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Reikken: I'm halfway through reading it, but it's so bad; I can't finish. --- Inui: You say Ilia holds more weight, but I don't, since Shin >>> Pegs and Sacae is more fun due to enemies that aren't fail and not having to move through forests all day. --- SACAE. It's more fun than Ilia. | |
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| Percival | Mar 6 2007, 05:32 PM Post #48 |
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I only said Bartre and Rebecca because they are tough to raise. Guys that can fight when they come are the ones I like. It's kinda simple logic. I kinda like Wil and Dorcas. They do well from the start, and only Dorcas is the one ending up meh. And he isn't getting DA as much as everyone thinks. With your logic, I can prove Marcus isn't worth it in HHM because he ends up meh. |
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| Light Yagami | Mar 6 2007, 11:37 PM Post #49 |
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As dog as a Fetch
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Actually, Becca IS a bit harder to raise. Even though she has the Spd advantage, she won't be doubling as soon as people expect her to. Wil is sturdy all around and has the Wind Support to make up for any lack of Avoid he may have. And hey, he supports with some Higher tier units like Raven, Lyn, and Rath (I think Rath is in the higher teirs...maybe). Becca has that nifty Fire support. I beleive you gain A LOT more from using Wil than using Becca. I also believe Wil and/or Becca> Louise. I don't think that a unit is awsome of all she/he has is a support advantage over other units. If anything, Supports are just bonuses, IMO. Both Wil and Becca outclass Louise as individual units. |
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| Inui | Mar 7 2007, 01:42 PM Post #50 |
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What? Wil is too slow and Rebecca is too weak. Louise starts off great and has an A support with Pent ready to go. I don't want to baby Rebecca. She needs more babying and handholding than any unit in the entire game except Nino. Fuck that. Wil is slow. He's always slow. It takes forever for him to start DAing things consistently, and his durability is always bad. Low DEF/RES/Evd combo = fail. I don't want to waste support slots on Rebecca, since Lowen and her other options would want other units more. Same goes for Wil. LOL Dorcas? MAYBE Bartre beats out Hawkeye, but Dorcas sure as hell does not. |
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| Percival | Mar 7 2007, 03:21 PM Post #51 |
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Usability>"Stats". Being good for most of the game>Being good trained up. It's so logical and simple. Idk what's the problem. If stats>usability, Nino>all. Louise>Becca. Louise is usable from the getgo, DAing from the start, Silver Bow and A Pent. Rebecca needs babying and has meh supports. She's not useful whatsoever and can slow you down if you use her. She can't kill Pegasus Knights early on. Louise is killing everything but Vaida in her chapter. |
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| Inui | Mar 7 2007, 04:23 PM Post #52 |
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Unless you want to say giving her a Steel Bow is babying, she's raping. |
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| C475_1337 | Mar 7 2007, 06:13 PM Post #53 |
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One serious d00d
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Your point?
And you’d be right. Marcus is never worth a long-time investment. He’s only used at all out of necessity, and dropped as soon as he’s no longer necessary.
If Rebecca’s weak, what is Louise? Since Louise is even weaker than Rebecca. Wil’s Spd should be no problem, since according to you, the average AS of all enemies on HHM is a mighty 6. If Lowen and Marcus have no trouble DAing, Wil sure as hell doesn’t either.
If you even bothered to examine that claim at all, you’d see that it’s quite false.
20/10 Dorcas 53.8 Hp 23.5 Str 19.4 Skl 11.2 Spd 14.7 Luck 12.5 Def 6.9 Res 16 Con A Oswin B Geitz ??/10 Hawkeye 53.0 Hp 20.4 Str 15.8 Skl 12.5 Spd 15.2 Def 12.1 Res 15.4 Luck 16 Con Hawkeye has one more AS and loses in almost every other way possible. And let’s remember that, since the average AS of all enemies is 6, both these units DA everything anyway.
Big whoop; the majority of units can rape harder. |
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Reikken: I'm halfway through reading it, but it's so bad; I can't finish. --- Inui: You say Ilia holds more weight, but I don't, since Shin >>> Pegs and Sacae is more fun due to enemies that aren't fail and not having to move through forests all day. --- SACAE. It's more fun than Ilia. | |
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| Percival | Mar 7 2007, 09:34 PM Post #54 |
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That they're tough to raise and I never said anything wrong about Wil and Dorcas.
Aren't we talking about a Ranked playthrough? Even in the midgame, Marcus is still good and you have to get things done quickly. It'll be in a long time when Lowen outdoes Marcus in utility. And that's in the endgame. |
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| C475_1337 | Mar 7 2007, 10:37 PM Post #55 |
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Ranked? Doesn't matter either way. Marcus gets dropped when his stats are no longer impressive compared to the rest of the team. That happens far before the end of the game. And Lowen is hardly the only unit Marcus has to worry about when it comes to competing for a spot on the team. |
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Reikken: I'm halfway through reading it, but it's so bad; I can't finish. --- Inui: You say Ilia holds more weight, but I don't, since Shin >>> Pegs and Sacae is more fun due to enemies that aren't fail and not having to move through forests all day. --- SACAE. It's more fun than Ilia. | |
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| Light Yagami | Mar 8 2007, 12:21 AM Post #56 |
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What do you mean "good for most of the game"? Louise joins MUCH later than Wil/Becca. Wil is good while you have him, doubles soon enough and has great Str to make up for it. 7 con so he won't lose any AS from carrying around a Killer Bow. Louise's stats are hardly anything to brag about. 12 Strngth and 14 Skill is nothing spectacular. EDIT: Um....I don't see how Hawkeye> Dorcas makes any sense. Dorcas can EASILY be your main man with all those nasty lance users and knights walzting around. Hawkeye joins when he isn't needed and hardly makes any difference in your team. He is stuck with Axes and has some pretty lame stats (IMO) |
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| Admin | Mar 8 2007, 01:04 AM Post #57 |
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There is a light that never goes out...
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Loiuse should be bottem tier. Make Heath bottem tier too, his joining situation is just too bad. |
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| Light Yagami | Mar 8 2007, 01:19 AM Post #58 |
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Not saying Louise should be bottom teir. Wil should be higher than her. |
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| Percival | Mar 8 2007, 08:15 AM Post #59 |
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I didn't say anything bad about Wil, but he has bad supports and is much slower than you think. 5 base with only 40%=wtf. Since his speed is bad, he's not DA in a while, so he gets less EXP unless he gets last hit kills. Wil also doesn't dodge that well, making him even harder to train. Louise DAs from the start, so she does more damage. She dodges well because of you know who and good speed and luck.
She kills everything in her chapter. Bows are accurate. |
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| Psiwri | Mar 8 2007, 08:19 AM Post #60 |
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Too Many Words
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Louise also misses some of the few balistas you get throughout the game because of join time, but that depends if you view balistas as any good too
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