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Abortion; renewed fervor for the debate forum ftw
Topic Started: Jun 12 2007, 02:27 PM (2,213 Views)
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Kombat_911
Jun 21 2007, 09:30 AM
wait that doesnt really count because its not like an animal

they say, the second the egg gets fertilized, its 'life'

i won't disagree with the first bit...

but as to when it's 'life'- i'd say it's not true life until it has any experience of living, which doesn't start until it's out the hatch.
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Kombat_911
Jun 21 2007, 04:30 AM
wait that doesnt really count because its not like an animal

they say, the second the egg gets fertilized, its 'life'

Your parents critera was that if it consumes resources to function, it is indeed alive. By their definition of "living", things like lightbulbs, cars, and machines are alive.

Also, a zygote isn't alive.
Neon,June 8 2005
07:34 PM
@Reaver: Me grammer is better than ur post count newbie.

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I think that Reaver's argument is an exceptionally shoddy one, personally. Let me ask you this: if you kill a fertilized chicken egg, are you not killing a chicken? If left alone, the egg would've grown into a full chicken. Therefore, by inhibiting the egg's growth, you are preventing a chicken from being made, thus taking away the chicken's life.
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Housuke Odoroki
Jun 21 2007, 01:59 PM
I think that Reaver's argument is an exceptionally shoddy one, personally. Let me ask you this: if you kill a fertilized chicken egg, are you not killing a chicken? If left alone, the egg would've grown into a full chicken. Therefore, by inhibiting the egg's growth, you are preventing a chicken from being made, thus taking away the chicken's life.

It will become a chicken, a fertilized egg is nothing more than a fertilized egg, given time it eventually changes into a human. Abortions cannot be done during the final trimester, when a fetus is without question beginning to take life and beginning to become human, but before that it is nothing more than a fetus.

That and what bad comes from abortion is reduced by aiding the life of the living with the stem cells from the aborted fetus. Abortions, albeit they aren't something I ever want to choose, do have a good side to them in terms of medical research.
Neon,June 8 2005
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@Reaver: Me grammer is better than ur post count newbie.

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Jun 21 2007, 07:06 PM
Housuke Odoroki
Jun 21 2007, 01:59 PM
I think that Reaver's argument is an exceptionally shoddy one, personally. Let me ask you this: if you kill a fertilized chicken egg, are you not killing a chicken? If left alone, the egg would've grown into a full chicken. Therefore, by inhibiting the egg's growth, you are preventing a chicken from being made, thus taking away the chicken's life.

It will become a chicken, a fertilized egg is nothing more than a fertilized egg, given time it eventually changes into a human. Abortions cannot be done during the final trimester, when a fetus is without question beginning to take life and beginning to become human, but before that it is nothing more than a fetus.

That and what bad comes from abortion is reduced by aiding the life of the living with the stem cells from the aborted fetus. Abortions, albeit they aren't something I ever want to choose, do have a good side to them in terms of medical research.

Stem cells... oh, stem cells. Stem cells have yet to even solve one problem in today's world, instead, we're using dead babies as a means to grasp for scientific straws. It's pathetic, really.
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Scientifically, there is no doubt fetuses are alive, they sustain all necessary criteria. The only question is if their human.

Trees are alive. They don't undergo "living" by our standards. It doesn't have "experiences" to experience. It's alive.

Besides, the fact that abortion advocates want partial-birth abortions essantially proves they could care less if the baby is alive.
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Jun 22 2007, 03:15 PM
Besides, the fact that abortion advocates want partial-birth abortions essantially proves they could care less if the baby is alive.

Hold it there, Stacy. Not all pro-choice people are for partial-birth abortions. I think if you haven't made up your mind about whether or not you want an abortion that late in the game, then, well, that's your problem.

However, there is one argument I can't stand on the pro-life side.

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Let me ask you this: if you kill a fertilized chicken egg, are you not killing a chicken? If left alone, the egg would've grown into a full chicken. Therefore, by inhibiting the egg's growth, you are preventing a chicken from being made, thus taking away the chicken's life.

I agree with what you say. In fact, I think that all men should be forced to have sex all hours of the day until there are no more non-pregnant women around. And I think that women should be forced to always be pregnant. Otherwise, we're just taking a way a potential for human life.
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God these topics are annoying.

Regardless of if the fertile egg is alive or not, where does responsibility fall into place? Don't have sex and you won't find yourself in a situation where you feel the need to have an abortion.

And if you are irresponsible enough to get yourself pregnant when you don't have the means to support a child, there's always the adoption system. Although it is suboptimal now, maybe if we were to focus less on killing babies so Steve Hawking can twitch his arm, we could focus on improving the adoption system so that the would-be child can live in circumstances it deserves.
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Regardless of if the fertile egg is alive or not, where does responsibility fall into place? Don't have sex and you won't find yourself in a situation where you feel the need to have an abortion.


Haha. Okay.
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Yzarc Drowsnam
Jun 22 2007, 03:30 PM
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Regardless of if the fertile egg is alive or not, where does responsibility fall into place? Don't have sex and you won't find yourself in a situation where you feel the need to have an abortion.


Haha. Okay.

Yes because it's sooo dfficult not to have sex. Let me tell you something about sex: There's sweat, uncomfortableness and constant yelling. All leading up to one party having fun while the other is left high and dry. And then at the end, what the hell is there to show for it? What satisfaction to you get? "Hey dude, I totally had sex" "Wow, congrats, better hope she isn't pregnant" "Ohshi-!"
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Jun 22 2007, 03:34 PM
Yzarc Drowsnam
Jun 22 2007, 03:30 PM
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Regardless of if the fertile egg is alive or not, where does responsibility fall into place? Don't have sex and you won't find yourself in a situation where you feel the need to have an abortion.


Haha. Okay.

Yes because it's sooo dfficult not to have sex. Let me tell you something about sex: There's sweat, uncomfortableness and constant yelling. All leading up to one party having fun while the other is left high and dry. And then at the end, what the hell is there to show for it? What satisfaction to you get? "Hey dude, I totally had sex" "Wow, congrats, better hope she isn't pregnant" "Ohshi-!"

Yeah, the only reason anyone has sex is to brag to their friends. You're right.
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PD, that is the stupidest statement I've ever read. Sex is like, the greatest thing ever. >_>

As far as abortion goes, I'm not against it. But I think these abortion clinics need to grow some balls, and say NO to the people that don't deserve it. Teens who get pregnant, that sucks but it's their fault so they'll have to bear the burden. Got raped and then found out you were pregnant.. that would be a different case. Then the other various reasons that have all ready been mentioned, but some are just selfish and unfair to the child, IMO.
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Alright. This is how it goes.

You eat a cookie. It's a pretty good cookie, and you're satisfied. That cookie will be digested and pretty much only good things can come from it.

You have sex with your girlfriend. It's a pretty cool thing, you orgasm, and then are left dissatisfied. Your relationship becomes more awkward. She tells you she's pregnant and suddenly you say "lawlz im outie" Thus there is a bad end to that situation. So unless you're planning on a) Using protection or b)Caring for the child you're going to create, sex is nothing more than a common drug that's constantly advertised in media as "awesome."
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The difference being that it IS awesome.

It's natural instinct to want to have sex, and to enjoy it.
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Odin
Jun 22 2007, 09:55 PM
The difference being that it IS awesome.

It's natural instinct to want to have sex, and to enjoy it.

So are drugs! Hell, it makes you feel good so why not do it? Heroin? Hell yeah!

Ohshi wait overdose ur ded lawl

Same goes for sex. Everything's fun and dandy till someone gets pregnant :(

As for it being a natural instinct, please see Soja's post, because he is like god.
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