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Abortion; renewed fervor for the debate forum ftw
Topic Started: Jun 12 2007, 02:27 PM (2,209 Views)
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And that's precisely where adoptions come in. There's the problem of adequate pay during the month or so prior to the pregnancy, but if you honestly think that you'll be getting pregnant in the next few years, you should definitely look for pregnancy leave as a job benefit. As for the hospital bills? If the woman in question can get a loan to pay for an abortion, then she could also get a loan for hospital bills, no?
One of course requires her to miss more work than the other, which could pose a problem if the place they work for doesn't offer paid maternity leave (as they might hold a part time job to make ends meet or something like that), although it wouldn't be a career-killer for most women. I'm afraid that adoption, while it's a strong solution for couples/women that can have children, doesn't work out for couples/women who can't afford to miss work for months and such. It's a tragedy and I wish it didn't have to be that way, but it does.

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Not aborting helps the standard of living for the baby, and having the child means you can get stem cells from the umbilical cord, so I don't see a difference here...other than, of course, the fact that live birth allows for...well, live birth, as opposed to a dead baby.
Of course, aborting in many cases often ups the standard of living for the mother. In the case of abortions, one should put the well being of the parent before the well being of the fetus.

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Well, it happened to 60s clothes; with luck it'll happen to idiotic cultures too. ;>_>
Until that time, of course, abortions should be available.
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I am adopted, I thank my birth parents everyday for giving me a chance to live. Let it be bias, but I think adoption is much more humane than abortion.
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Scar
Jul 10 2007, 04:28 PM
I am adopted, I thank my birth parents everyday for giving me a chance to live. Let it be bias, but I think adoption is much more humane than abortion.

but then again

u wooldnt care if u were aborted

because you wooldn never have been alive

in which case, u might have said (if u coold) that abortion is better ebcause there is an alleviation of all responsibility ad pain and suffering etc.
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Kombat: type with better grammar here, it's not Chit Chat.

As for the humane part Scar, I 100% agree with you that if an abortion isn't necessary you shouldn't get one. That being said, I feel there are indeed cases where abortions are necessary and this is why they should be legal. There will be people who have the money and will get abortions because they have the money, but the guilt is theirs.
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Kombat: type with better grammar here, it's not Chit Chat.


is that like, a rule or something?

Ew.
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Jul 10 2007, 05:30 PM
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Kombat: type with better grammar here, it's not Chit Chat.


is that like, a rule or something?

Ew.

Outside of Chit Chat good grammar is important.
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cool story bro


Kombat_911
Jul 10 2007, 04:49 PM
Scar
Jul 10 2007, 04:28 PM
I am adopted, I thank my birth parents everyday for giving me a chance to live. Let it be bias, but I think adoption is much more humane than abortion.

but then again

u wooldnt care if u were aborted

because you wooldn never have been alive

in which case, u might have said (if u coold) that abortion is better ebcause there is an alleviation of all responsibility ad pain and suffering etc.

EXACTLY

Aborted people are not alive. They don't even know that they have been aborted. This is not the same as let's say, somebody being born and then killed.
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Phil
Jul 10 2007, 05:33 PM
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Jul 10 2007, 04:49 PM
Scar
Jul 10 2007, 04:28 PM
I am adopted, I thank my birth parents everyday for giving me a chance to live. Let it be bias, but I think adoption is much more humane than abortion.

but then again

u wooldnt care if u were aborted

because you wooldn never have been alive

in which case, u might have said (if u coold) that abortion is better ebcause there is an alleviation of all responsibility ad pain and suffering etc.

EXACTLY

Aborted people are not alive. They don't even know that they have been aborted. This is not the same as let's say, somebody being born and then killed.

Like a partial birth abortion, basically, which I'm kinda glad that ban was upheld anyway.
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Yzarc Drowsnam
Jul 10 2007, 11:21 PM
Phil
Jul 10 2007, 05:33 PM
Kombat_911
Jul 10 2007, 04:49 PM
Scar
Jul 10 2007, 04:28 PM
I am adopted, I thank my birth parents everyday for giving me a chance to live. Let it be bias, but I think adoption is much more humane than abortion.

but then again

u wooldnt care if u were aborted

because you wooldn never have been alive

in which case, u might have said (if u coold) that abortion is better ebcause there is an alleviation of all responsibility ad pain and suffering etc.

EXACTLY

Aborted people are not alive. They don't even know that they have been aborted. This is not the same as let's say, somebody being born and then killed.

Like a partial birth abortion, basically, which I'm kinda glad that ban was upheld anyway.

is no one afraid of over-population?

i mean really. there are just way too many fucking people on this planet.

and i kno this sounds cruel

but extremely poor families shoold have like, laws on this

doesnt china hav a law that u cna only hav 1 child or something?

i actually know pwoplw with like 8 kids and they barely have eneough to feed themselves! and i feel so sorry for single parents
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But does that justify abortion? No, it justifies common financial sense. If you can barely pay for two people, what makes you think you can pay for ten?
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Some Kind Of Monster - Metallica

>> Metallica wub all of a sudden

Say, I know a member currently going by Ron DeLite who also loves Metallica, you two should totally hook up.
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rofl Chris
 
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Jul 10 2007, 07:48 PM
But does that justify abortion? No, it justifies common financial sense. If you can barely pay for two people, what makes you think you can pay for ten?

I agree. Saying there are too many people doesn't warrant that abortions should be legal.
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Simon the Suave
Jul 10 2007, 11:48 PM
But does that justify abortion? No, it justifies common financial sense. If you can barely pay for two people, what makes you think you can pay for ten?

so? u gotta do wat u gotta do, it doesnt matter if its ethical or not.

humans are so weak and silly

if the decision was up to animal, they wooldve eaten the thing at birth(like most already do)
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Jul 10 2007, 08:09 PM
if the decision was up to animal, they wooldve eaten the thing at birth(like most already do)

Humans aren't animals, we're much better. The fact we can even put value on life is argument against why we should have abortions just because there are so many people.
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Kombat_911
Jul 10 2007, 07:09 PM
Simon the Suave
Jul 10 2007, 11:48 PM
But does that justify abortion? No, it justifies common financial sense. If you can barely pay for two people, what makes you think you can pay for ten?

so? u gotta do wat u gotta do, it doesnt matter if its ethical or not.

humans are so weak and silly

if the decision was up to animal, they wooldve eaten the thing at birth(like most already do)

Exactly. What you gotta do is not be reckless with the gift God's given you.
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Fraulein Holls
Sep 14 2008, 06:16 PM
Some Kind Of Monster - Metallica

>> Metallica wub all of a sudden

Say, I know a member currently going by Ron DeLite who also loves Metallica, you two should totally hook up.
God of Thunder - KISS

rofl Chris
 
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you know what
Chris says:
someone
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once said to be
Chris says:
me*
Chris says:
when someone did
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d(-_-)b
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wtf, how'd they invert the b?
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I prefer Kombat's view in this particular matter.
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