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iraq; for freedom or oil
Topic Started: Aug 10 2007, 02:51 AM (779 Views)
Shinobi
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why do you think we went to iraq?

was it to destry the dictator sudam hussain?
was it to find wmds or bin ladin?
was george w just trying to prove himself to his dad (who started the first war in iraq)
or was it to make more money?
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Soja
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You had to open this shitstorm up, didn't you?

I've talked myself to death on the matter. Typed and talked. The reason we went to Iraq was this: Saddam kicked out U.N. weapons inspectors. Being the time that it was, right after 9/11, paranoia ran high. Believing that Hussein's regime still possessed weapons of mass destruction, such as the blood agents used on the Kurds in the '80s and '90s, the ultimatum issued was "let the inspectors do their job or we'll bomb you into the ground and sort through the mess."

Saddam took option two. The actual motivation behind the push for the war still evades everyone except for those who called for it to begin with (one Mr. Richard Cheney). The justifications issued were the pwning of one of the largest and most infamous dictatorships in the world, oil-lust, revenge, military muscle-flexing, the WMD hunt, liberation, al-Qaeda hunt, etc. It runs the gamut.

I don't see how one can make money from a war unless it's seizing new land. Wars are expensive.
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How many of these topics are there going to be? Discussion on this matter is dated and I don't think anyone else wants another one.
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i havnt seen said topics
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You can't make money from the war itself, but if the U.S. took over Iraq... There's a lot of oil there, IIRC.
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keeps the military from getting rusty...also it recruits more...and the military...(the marines in particular) have great bennefits after they are done with the service. i know this because a good friend of mine recently joined and he's been talking about it for months now
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Aug 10 2007, 04:55 PM
keeps the military from getting rusty...also it recruits more...and the military...(the marines in particular) have great bennefits after they are done with the service. i know this because a good friend of mine recently joined and he's been talking about it for months now

None of that has anything to do with Bush wanting to go to war.
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I don't buy any of the War for Oil reasons people give. For a few reasons. Lets just assume for a second that we did. We won, and would have control over that oil now. But, Gas Prices are still really high. Supply and Demand would have those prices going down, if we recently gained a ton of Oil from over there. So I just don't buy it.

Deposing Saddam, stopping any WMD program, Al-Qaeda Hunt, are all the most likely reasons.
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Soja
Aug 10 2007, 04:19 AM
You had to open this shitstorm up, didn't you?

I've talked myself to death on the matter. Typed and talked. The reason we went to Iraq was this: Saddam kicked out U.N. weapons inspectors. Being the time that it was, right after 9/11, paranoia ran high. Believing that Hussein's regime still possessed weapons of mass destruction, such as the blood agents used on the Kurds in the '80s and '90s, the ultimatum issued was "let the inspectors do their job or we'll bomb you into the ground and sort through the mess."

Saddam took option two. The actual motivation behind the push for the war still evades everyone except for those who called for it to begin with (one Mr. Richard Cheney). The justifications issued were the pwning of one of the largest and most infamous dictatorships in the world, oil-lust, revenge, military muscle-flexing, the WMD hunt, liberation, al-Qaeda hunt, etc. It runs the gamut.

I don't see how one can make money from a war unless it's seizing new land. Wars are expensive.

QFT.

The war was very justified.
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Aug 10 2007, 07:01 PM
I don't buy any of the War for Oil reasons people give.  For a few reasons.  Lets just assume for a second that we did.  We won, and would have control over that oil now.  But, Gas Prices are still really high.  Supply and Demand would have those prices going down, if we recently gained a ton of Oil from over there.  So I just don't buy it.

Deposing Saddam, stopping any WMD program, Al-Qaeda Hunt, are all the most likely reasons.

Al-Qaeda is a larger issue than anything Saddam could have done, and there was no way invading Iraq would have dome something about that.
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Saddam with a nuke would be alot more dangerous than Al-Qaeda. But regardless, Saddam's ties with Al-Qaeda were unknown, and better safe than sorry.
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It was actually said that Osama's posse and Saddam weren't on good terms. Saddam didn't trust Osama's motives and Osama saw Saddam's semi-secularist regime as heretical.

What al-Qaeda there is in Iraq are either sleeper cells or imported terrorists from when after the war broke out. Far as we know, none we government sanctioned.
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Aug 10 2007, 08:54 PM
Saddam with a nuke would be alot more dangerous than Al-Qaeda. But regardless, Saddam's ties with Al-Qaeda were unknown, and better safe than sorry.

By that logic we should just attack the shit out of North Korea and Iran. Right now. In fact, that would be a much better idea than attacking Iraq because we KNOW that North Korea and Iran have missile and nuclear capabilities whereas Iraq we only attacked because we weren't sure?

Well, actually, we WERE sure with Iraq. We were just wrong. Iraq HAD WMDs, they did, and they were hiding them. That was a fact. Still, I fail to see how going to war with them was any way to make them NOT use said WMD.
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Iran and North Korea are both threats as well, especially Iran. I wouldn't be opposed to attacking either of those two countries either, to remove their threat. I think the government is just afraid of what people would think of them, after the media backlash from Iraq. Iraq was an easier target to get people behind, but that didn't make them any less of a threat.

Your last paragraph is so full of sarcasm I can't even tell what's what. If you are saying it was a fact that Iraq had WMDs, how can you not understand how taking Saddam out stops him from using them?
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Attacking Iran and North Korea is a good way to get them to use what they already have. I'm not sure what the best course of action is, but then again, I'm not a politician or a military strategist. However, I am smart enough to know the backlashes of going into war with two nations who openly have very powerful weapons.

My last paragraph had no sarcasm (though it would fit my personality quite well) I was simply stating that, at the time, almost everyone was certain that Iraq had WMDs. Democrats and Republicans alike, there was no doubt in anyone's mind that they did. Taking Saddam out would, indeed, stop Saddam from using his supposed WMDs. However, we didn't find Saddam until after we realized that he actually DIDN'T have them. I'm thinking that, if he did, he might have used them sometime before he was forced to hide.
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