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| Tweet Topic Started: Feb 20 2008, 08:46 PM (4,474 Views) | |
| Quote | Feb 20 2008, 08:46 PM Post #1 |
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I'll start out with a couple: -Earthbound is very flawed, but probably the best japanese rpg ever made. Also I earnestly hope that Mother 3 is better than Earthbound, and await the translation patch eagerly. -Tetris is overrated and a pretty lousy game. Off the top of my head, I can name Puyo pop and Panel de Pon as better puzzle games in almost every conceivable way. -The MGS games are pretty terrible, and Hideo Kojima is an idiot. MGS2 is pretty interesting in a postmodern sense, for what it's worth. -Shigeru Miyamoto has made only one really good game: the original mario. Everything after that has either been just "interesting", or terribly flawed. -Fire Emblem 2 and 4 are probably the best FE's. FE5 would be up there, but I just kind of suck and can't get past the third chapter without save stating every 3 seconds. |
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| cool story bro | Feb 20 2008, 09:23 PM Post #2 |
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YOUR OPINIONS ARE SEVERELY FLAWED I very strongly disagree with your opinion on Miyamoto. Seriously, what games do you find good if all of his brilliant works "are not good"? As for me, the only "outrageous" opinion I have is that FPS games are way overrated, especially generic ones that show up on consoles. Everybody (even review sites) rave about them, then I try it and don't see the big deal. ![]() |
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| Laharl | Feb 20 2008, 09:35 PM Post #3 |
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No it isn't. I could probably list 10 that are better.
Tetris is like 20 years old. wtf.
No.
IIRC, thats the guy who created the Zelda series, which is one of the most well made gaming series ever made.
This I can't argue with seeing as I've never played either one. |
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| Feez | Feb 20 2008, 09:45 PM Post #4 |
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I could list...maybe 4 or 5. Earthbound is one of the best RPGs made.
What does that have to do with it being overrated? It's still overrated, but I think it's a solid game, and definitely an easy puzzle game to pick up.
The Zelda series isn't all too hot. It's pretty average in my opinion.
The thing that made Earthbound great was all the little quirks and stuff you could do in it. The overall story was decent as well, and some of the characters were good too. However, the main characters were all pretty much robots. There are some better RPGs though, like the Chrono series. I agree with Phil on his views of FPS games. I think Guilty Gear is way overrated, and people need to play better fighting games like SF3/2 and the KoF series. Tekken sucks. |
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| cool story bro | Feb 20 2008, 09:48 PM Post #5 |
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I mean, I guess everybody has their own opinions, but it amazes me that there are some who find the main Zelda series mediocre at best. Twilight Princess and Ocarina of Time are two of the best games I have ever played. ![]() |
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| Laharl | Feb 20 2008, 09:50 PM Post #6 |
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Tetris is a good way to kill some time. And the Zelda series is probably the best game of its genre. Besides that they're also very fun. |
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| Blackbird | Feb 20 2008, 10:26 PM Post #7 |
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Think of the "big name" FPS releases like summer blockbusters, Grady. They come out, and look really awesome because they have the latest special effects, and everyone makes a big hullabaloo about how it will be the next big thing. It will be really popular for the season, due to the good graphics, but eventually people realize it has little depth or lasting value and move on. Halo 4: The smash hit must-play FPS of the summer season, coming 2009! Tetris was good for it's time. It helped to establish puzzle games as a genre, don't knock it. That's very much like saying Doom is a terrible shooter because we have Half Life 2 now; you're comparing games from completely different eras, there is bound to be a disparity due to the advance of technology. |
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| Kilik 64 | Feb 21 2008, 05:51 AM Post #8 |
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Chizuru... <3
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Pong is horrible because there's nothing to do. No, this is not sarcasm. I am seriously knocking the first game ever made. :D |
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| Quote | Feb 21 2008, 06:19 AM Post #9 |
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Miyamoto has served as a "producer" far more than he has served as a "designer" or "director", if Wikipedia is to be believed. This means he focused more on management than game development. Judging from the list, it seems that he's only been a lead designer or director for a couple of notable games:
Out of this list, what would you consider truly "good", besides the original Mario? There's alot of interesting games in this list, like Pikmin, Nintendogs, and the original Zelda. There's also alot of flawed games: Zelda Oot, Mario 3 and Galxy, Donkey Kong series. What's left is just the original Mario. As for what I would consider a "good" game? Take a nice hard look at Ikaruga.
No, I would argue that the thing that makes Earthbound is how well it comes together as a whole, and how effective it is in it's use of the medium to convey a narrative. I could wax on about this, but this guy did it for me. It's a dense and somewhat meandering read which cries for some good editing, but intelligent in it's discourse. Really, stuff like this is what makes Earthbound better than pretty much every japanese RPG:
Chrono Trigger is the RPG equivalent of a Saturday morning cartoon: well-paced and entertaining, but ultimately somewhat shallow. Earthbound's designer, Shigesato Itoi is an internationally renowned writer, and it shows!
Yeah, you're absolutely right about this, but it just kind of rubs me in the wrong way when the enthusiast press declare Tetris as "the best game ever" and those kinds of things. It pays severe disrespect to puzzle games as a genre when so many people consider Tetris as its pinnacle. I mean seriously, what if everyone still thought Birth of a Nation is the be-all, end-all of movies and cinematography? Also, for what it's worth, Doom is completely different from Half Life in focus, and is an excellent game in it's own right. The difference between Half Life and Doom is like the difference between Another World and Castlevania. And here's some more controversial opinions, to round off things: -The Sega Genesis is better than the SNES in almost every conceivable way. -The PS2 has arguably the best library of any console, bar none. -Ghouls and Ghosts series is not really that hard. I want to be the guy: the movie: the game is an example of a hard game. |
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| Kovu | Feb 21 2008, 06:22 AM Post #10 |
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Zidane was always entitled to 12 MOV!
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This topic if flawed. And makes me emo in SO many ways. If it's about opinions I'll give you mine. Tomorrow. ~ Kovu |
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| Linoud | Feb 21 2008, 07:13 AM Post #11 |
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Flawed games? All games are flawed in some way or other. Ocarina of Time was an excellent game and it still is for the new generation. Never heard of Ikaruga, I might've seen a video ages ago but it doesn't really seem that hot if it was that game where you shoot/dodge all the small little dots the enemy is firing at you. Then again, I might not be taking a "good" hard look at it. The Sega Genesis? I don't think so. I enjoyed my SNES. The Genesis was alright, but I thought the Mario All Stars game, Super Mario World, Yoshi's Island, Mario Kart, Link to the Past and other such games were more fun. Not to say that it sucks though, it's still got some fun games like Golden Axe, Streets of Rage and whatnot. I think your most outrageous opinion in this topic is the fact that you think your opinions are true, and what you say is correct. ![]() The PS2 has the largest library sure, but how many true pearls are in there amongst a sea of mediocre and crap titles? Being nice, I'd say 20% of the PS2's library was decent or good. |
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| Blackbird | Feb 21 2008, 10:29 AM Post #12 |
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For those unfamiliar with Ikaruga: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj23K8Ri68E You could probably fight a duel over this or Insect Princess being the best shoot em up, they are both the pinnacle of the genre in different ways... I'd like to echo what was said about flawed games earlier; If you limit yourself to the games which come closest to perfection, you would find you had very few games to choose from. Much like any piece of art, it is almost guaranteed to be flawed, but that doesn't mean you can't appreciate it. The vast majority of games are flawed in some way, but those that are generally considered "good" are those for which the excellent traits of the game far exceed the flawed parts. Additionally, some games are fun -because- they are flawed... take Phoenix Wright for example. The writing is a little ridiculous and over the top at times, but that's what makes it enjoyable to play. On Chrono Trigger: This RPG is pretty much a "whole package" thing, for me. It's amazing on many levels. Story: Unusually well realized time travel story with interesting characters (designed by Akira Toriyama, no less, if that's a plus for you) and multiple endings? Check. Gameplay: One of the innovators in an "active" RPG battle system with a character combo attack system that hasn't really been surpassed even by modern games? Check. Music: Musical score generally lauded to be among the best on the SNES. Is it one of the most covered and remixed games ever? Check. Graphics: Exceptional for the time. Does it have great spell effects, combo attacks, character designs, and most notably several amazingly well executed time periods? Check. It really doesn't get a lot better from a whole package standpoint. On Tetris: Well, yeah, the mainstream media is, *ahem* rather behind the times on which games are good and relevant. It's regrettable that some people still think Tetris is the best puzzler ever, but at least we know better. I suppose you could think of Tetris as the gaming equivalent of a "literary classic". It's iconic of what it means to be a puzzle game. Personally, I think Peggle Extreme's bizzare, somewhat creepy parody of Valve's Orange Box was a brilliant stroke of humor for a puzzle game =). The new opinions: Genesis: I agree that the Sega Genesis was probably a better console, but I don't think it's potential was as well realized as the SNES' was. I even grudgingly admit, despite being a hardcore Sega fan, that the SNES probably had the better library of games, in the end. That said, there are some things about the Genesis which are simply unparalled. This will sound a bit wierd, but I think the Genesis' sound emulation was absolutely amazing... there were some positively unique sounds generated by this console which I have not heard recreated anywhere else, and I listen to a lot of music. There were some incredibly creative soundtracks built around the Genesis' wierd sound emulation... Streets of Rage 2 comes to mind. It's essentially a very urban techno/trip hop centric sound before the genre was popular. PS2: The PS2's library is indeed huge and full of diverse, good games. However, I think it has some serious competition for best library in the Game Boy Advance. There are a ridiculous number of good games out for the Advance as well, including everyone's favorite series. Add to this the fact that the Game Boy DS has it's own, growing library and is backwards compatible with all Advance games, and you have a pretty competitive library. |
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| Neo | Feb 21 2008, 01:07 PM Post #13 |
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Tits and Ass
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Hey, a free trolling thread. Awesome. My only main gripe right now is JRPGS are cliched and have horrible gameplay. WRPGS have decent gameplay and story. MMORPGS make you do the same thing over and over and its addicting somehow. |
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| Grady | Feb 21 2008, 01:38 PM Post #14 |
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I don't really care if a game is flawed. I'm not about to analyze every game I play. If it captures my attention, and I continue playing it for a couple of weeks, then good job random game company. |
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| sephiroth667 | Feb 21 2008, 03:42 PM Post #15 |
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Nostalgia
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Halo 1 and 2 are probably the worst First Person Shooters I've ever played. 3 is only moderately entertaining. Final Fantasy is overrated. All of them. 7 was the best and people who try to play it off like "No wai 7 is for newbs who wan 2 b kool" are just trying to be non-conformists and are trying to sound cool when, in fact, they're lying to themselves. Pokemon is FUN and probably the best concept for an RPG game ever. Anyone who says "wo man u old y u play pokemon LOSER" are stupid. Racing games are terrible and are all carbon copies of previous ones. That's about all I can think about right now |
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