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Brawl Tier List
Topic Started: Apr 20 2008, 10:11 AM (5,532 Views)
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Inui
Jun 3 2008, 09:58 PM
Play Kashif's Sheik and Peach on Wi-Fi. You put them too low.

:( I can't do anything precise with Sheik online because of the lag.
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Jun 5 2008, 02:02 PM
Inui
Jun 3 2008, 09:58 PM
Play Kashif's Sheik and Peach on Wi-Fi.  You put them too low.

:( I can't do anything precise with Sheik online because of the lag.

I guess that's true. You lost to my Lagondorf a few times on Wi-Fi with Sheik, lol.

Well, at least you still have Peach for online.
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Inui
Jun 5 2008, 02:16 PM
Well, at least you still have Peach for online.

:) I've never used her offline(except once when I went into training mode to see if dair REALLY comboed into itself)
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I basically only use Ike online, too. I almost forget what offline Ike feels like.
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Inui
Jun 5 2008, 11:23 AM
I basically only use Ike online, too. I almost forget what offline Ike feels like.

because you hate him more than... hmm...
ganondorf
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Jun 5 2008, 04:51 PM
Inui
Jun 5 2008, 11:23 AM
I basically only use Ike online, too.  I almost forget what offline Ike feels like.

because you hate him more than... hmm...
ganondorf

Huh? I'm saying I don't use Ike offline. Ganondorf is my most used character online.
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Jun 5 2008, 01:54 PM
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Inui
Jun 5 2008, 11:23 AM
I basically only use Ike online, too.  I almost forget what offline Ike feels like.

because you hate him more than... hmm...
ganondorf

Huh? I'm saying I don't use Ike offline. Ganondorf is my most used character online.

Really? <<; Like the challenge?
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Inui
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Inui
Jun 5 2008, 11:23 AM
I basically only use Ike online, too.  I almost forget what offline Ike feels like.

because you hate him more than... hmm...
ganondorf

Huh? I'm saying I don't use Ike offline. Ganondorf is my most used character online.

Really? <<; Like the challenge?

lol @ Wi-Fi people being a challenge

No, I like the character, and Ganondorf doesn't care about lag.
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Wi-Fi sucks. :NomNomNom:
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Inui
Jun 5 2008, 11:23 AM
I basically only use Ike online, too.  I almost forget what offline Ike feels like.

because you hate him more than... hmm...
ganondorf

Huh? I'm saying I don't use Ike offline. Ganondorf is my most used character online.

Really? <<; Like the challenge?

lol @ Wi-Fi people being a challenge

No, I like the character, and Ganondorf doesn't care about lag.

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Kay, I made one. Kashif also thought that there were too many tiers, so I condensed them. So it's tier something like Melee.

-Top Tier-
Meta Knight
Snake
Dedede

-High Tier-
Game and Watch
Marth
Toon Link
R.O.B.
Falco
Diddy Kong
Pit

-Mid Tier-
Squirtle
Ice Climbers
Fox
Pikachu
Jigglypuff
Wario
Kirby
Zelda
Luigi
Zero Suit Samus
Sheik
Donkey Kong
Lucario

-Low Tier-
Charizard
Wolf
Peach
Olimar
Ike
Lucas
Bowser
Link
Samus
Yoshi
Mario

-Bottom Tier-
Captain Falcon
Ness
Ivysaur
Sonic
Ganondorf

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Jun 5 2008, 11:32 PM
Kay, I made one. Kashif also thought that there were too many tiers, so I condensed them. So it's tier something like Melee.

Opinions?

I see enough tier gaps in this game to make a lot of tiers. My format only has one extra tier anyways.

My personal tier list based on my tournament and personal experiences using the characters and fighting against them:

My personal tier list based on my tournament and personal experiences using the characters and fighting against them:

-God Tier-
Meta Knight
Snake

-Top Tier-
Dedede
Marth
Game and Watch
Toon Link
Falco
ROB
Diddy Kong
Ice Climbers
Pit

-High Tier-
Fox
Squirtle
Wario
Donkey Kong
Jigglypuff
Pikachu
Zelda
Zero Suit Samus
Luigi
Lucario
Kirby
Sheik

-Mid Tier-
Wolf
Charizard
Peach
Olimar
Ike
Lucas
Bowser
Mario

-Low Tier-
Yoshi
Link
Samus
Ness
Captain Falcon
Ivysaur

-Bottom Tier-
Sonic
Ganondorf

*Zelda/Sheik used together skillfully is top tier.
*Squirtle alone is top tier, but Ivysaur drags him down.
*Pokemon Trainer as a whole is possibly top tier if you're good with all of them and change intelligently.

Our major disagreements appear to be with the lower tiers and Ice Climbers.
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Jun 5 2008, 11:42 PM
I see enough tier gaps in this game to make a lot of tiers.  My format only has one extra tier anyways.

You putting Snake and Meta Knight in a "God Tier" is a joke when they don't massively rape everyone.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zyoV5cX9VcQ

That's a match of Forte's Bowser beating Chillin's Snake. There are more of those online, I'm just not going to spend time linking to them.

Wolf also does very well on Snake because laser camping forces Snake to stop pulling grenades. Wolf's laser also shuts down Snake's boost smash. Wolf can easily and consistently spike Snake through the cypher. Even if Snake meteor cancels it he's going to get spiked again until he messes up or he's at ~100 and then Wolf is going to charge dsmash him into oblivion. Snake players LOVE to abuse tilts and Wolf can just shine and hit them out of them when they predictably abuse them. Snake also can't safely uptilt Wolf's shield because of Wolf's fsmash and I'm not sure if he can safely ftilt Wolf's shield either.

Snake does not have much of an advantage over Sheik if he has any at all. Needles shut down grenade camping and his boost smash. Hitting him at 0 guarantees at least 30-40 damage, an ftilt at 40 guarantees putting him at 80-100 because he's so heavy. Sheik can also edgeguard Snake very well. If he's recovering from low you can bair him into the stage and most people suck at teching in Brawl so he won't live until absurdly high %s(the lowest I've seen him die from this is ~87%.) Even if he's recovering from the side Sheik edgeguarding is amazing and he's guaranteed to take 40-50 damage just trying to make it back if he makes it back at all. Her ftilt has a good amount of range and can clank with his uptilt, which is his favorite kill move. Fortunately for her, her ftilt comes out faster than his uptilt so you can ftilt again and you'll hit him instead of him clanking with his.

Ice Climbers have one of their easier chaingrabs on Snake. Sure he has moves with big hitboxes but desynched Icies can outcamp him and ice blocks stop his boost smash as well as grenades, though you would be stopping grenades with the second climber's blizzard to ensure they are far away enough from you. You can also afford to take a LOT of damage from Snake because all you really need to win the match are three grabs. Once you get those he dies.

Dedede can chaingrab Snake across the stage. Waddle Dees can easily set off remote mines for you. Dedede is very heavy so Snake isn't going to get kills from his uptilt at very low %s. Snake also is going to take a decent amount of damage off the stage from Dedede edgeguarding and Dedede has a pretty large shieldgrab so he has an easier time grabbing the cypher, which will result in Snake dying unless he uses C4 to recover.

Marth supposedly has a slight advantage on Snake. I don't know much about the match besides that Marth can get in Snake's face and spike him through the cypher.

Meta Knight beats Snake. The only two things Snake has in this matchup are 80% kills from uptilt and grenades. Meta Knight's side B plows through every move in the game all the time so the only thing Snake can do to stop it is have a grenade out. Snake better not keep a hold of those grenades though or THIS happens: http://youtube.com/watch?v=xhmRoAz_4CQ

And if he throws the grenades at Meta Knight that's a ticket into Snake's face because Meta Knight's glide toss carries him across 90% of most stages and once Meta is in Snake's face he's in trouble. Snake's recovery can be gimped with shuttle loop and Meta Knight combos Snake pretty well at low %. Once Meta gets Snake above him he has 3 options

1) Nair if he's high enough that he'll have no landing lag from it(obvious to see this one coming)
2) Airdodge and pray you don't know how to deal with airdodging
3) Get raped

None of those options are good. I have lost two matches in my life to Snake that mattered. The first was against Yes' Snake when I tripped into half charged fsmash at 30 and died from the center of the stage because I didn't expect to trip so I didn't DI it. I also SDed at 30% on my third stock and the match ended with him at last stock 126%. The second match I lost was on Green Greens to Trevor's Snake. The match was last stock high %, we both got blown up by a grenade towards the ceiling and I forgot Snake's aeriels are all soooooooo zetta slow that instead of dairing him I airdodged and got hit by Snake's upair and died.

Falco can chaingrab Snake until 40 something and then he can combo off his dthrow. Falco also has consistent laser lock setups that start in the 40s against everyone including Snake. If he gets one of those off you can say goodbye to Snake's stock. Doesn't matter how heavy he is when the lasers hit him all the way across the stage and kill him.
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I actually agree that MK and Snake shouldn't in a separate tier. The difference between MK and Marth or Snake and Dedede is just not big enough to allow for separate tiers.

Also, why is everyone posting vertical tier lists? Having to scroll through so many tier lists on a single page is massively gay.

do something like this, kthxbai:

Inui's list

[God]: MK > Snake
[Top]: Dedede > Marth > G&W > Toon Link > Falco > ROB > Diddy Kong > Ice Climbers > Pit
[High]: Fox > Squirtle > Wario > Donkey Kong > Jigglypuff > Pikachu > Zelda > Zero Suit Samus > Luigi > Lucario > Kirby > Sheik
[Mid]: Wolf > Charizard > Peach > Olimar > Ike > Lucas > Bowser > Mario
[Low]: Yoshi > Link > Samus > Ness > Captain Falcon > Ivysaur
[Bottom]: Sonic > Ganondorf
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Why did you move Lucario up to high tier?
A NEW WORLD ORDER
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