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Brawl Tier List
Topic Started: Apr 20 2008, 10:11 AM (5,548 Views)
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But Ike has very awful recovery, if he gets knocked too far out of the ring, he is gone.


Just saying, anyone who gets knocked too far out is gone =\

And Ike's recovery is not awful. Aether's sword goes above Ike, messing with the opponents on the edge. And Quick Draw isn't too bad.

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Not if (marth) gets knocked too far from the ring as he will not be able to make it to the ledge.


Neither will characters like Jigglypuff, since "too far" means nobody gets back D:
Marth has great recovery, it goes higher ( I think), gets autosweetspot (like almost everything), and can still kill.

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Not to mention that he does have a move that can instantly KO an opponent if the counter of the Hammer hit is 9.


This is luck. It's like saying Peach can kill stuff easily cause she can pull bomb-ombs...
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Not if he gets knocked too far from the ring as he will not be able to make it to the ledge.


wtf have you PLAYED as Marth? x_X
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(ssh)Just saying, anyone who gets knocked too far out is gone =\

And Ike's recovery is not awful. Aether's sword goes above Ike, messing with the opponents on the edge. And Quick Draw isn't too bad.


Well, if he gets knocked out too far from the ring, he will not be able to get back in the ring and he will fall.

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(ssh)Neither will characters like Jigglypuff, since "too far" means nobody gets back 
Marth has great recovery, it goes higher ( I think), gets autosweetspot (like almost everything), and can still kill.


Maybe so, but he would have to grab the ledge edge to be able to recover.


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(ssh)This is luck. It's like saying Peach can kill stuff easily cause she can pull bomb-ombs...


Also at random, she can pull out Beam Swords, but the occurence of it happening is very rare though however.


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lol, I'm not going to debate this game with you, Sephiroth. You probably have never entered a tournament or played real people. >_>;
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szh
Apr 21 2008, 06:20 AM
This is luck. It's like saying Peach can kill stuff easily cause she can pull bomb-ombs...

Technically, there's supposed to be ways to manipulate G&W's Hammer. Not sure if that was real or not, though.
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Apr 21 2008, 12:25 PM
lol, I'm not going to debate this game with you, Sephiroth. You probably have never entered a tournament or played real people. >_>;

Logical Fallacy Alert. Dismissing his points because he doesn't play at tournaments doesn't make your case look stronger, it merely makes your case look elitist and without a backing argument.

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Well, if he gets knocked out too far from the ring, he will not be able to get back in the ring and he will fall.
I can name fourty characters that can't make it back once they've been knocked "too far" from the ring and will fall once they've been knocked too far. Ike's recovery is good enough: he's heavy so he doesn't go flying in the first place, Aether is a phenominal recovery move because it hits people off the edge on the way up OR once Ike is midway up, and his Quick Draw is good for horizontal recoveries and, when timed right, sweetspots the edge.

Sephiroth
 
Maybe so, but he would have to grab the ledge edge to be able to recover.
So does every character? :Psyduck: That's not unique to Marth, but since his Dolphin Slash sweetspots he doesn't need to worry about overshooting the edge then getting wtfpwned.

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Also at random, she can pull out Beam Swords, but the occurence of it happening is very rare though however.
That's the point: it's random so it's not really an inherent advantage for the character because it happens so rarely that it's not going to be a great boon to the character in dire circumstances.
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There is a light that never goes out...

This is SSBB. Nearly every single character can get back from nearly everything, as long as they aren't outright killed from an attack, or are Link.
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Ike's Quick Draw works better for transportation around the stage than as an actual attack.
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(PyroIce)I really think Olimar should move up because his aerials are great, he can rack up lots of damage with his side-b and because his recovery is awesome if he has enough Pikmin. The fact that he's dependent on them is a big downside, but they're not that hard to keep alive, and anyone who knows how to use him won't have any problems by plucking them from the ground at the right moments.


Only except that he would have to whistle to keep his Pikmen in check as they tend to lose sychrenising with him alot.

Not really. Whistling is only good for when you want to have certain Pikmin up front when you're planning to do certain attacks. It also shields you for a frame or something like that, I'm not too sure, but I've gotten attacked while whistling and got no harm or knockback.

Olimar's whistle is an optional technique IMO, but you don't need to use it. I don't know what you mean with his Pikmin losing sync with him.
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If Sonic had more than one move that KOs people then I'd argue.

And Ivysaur is one of my favorites from PT o_o

Why is Lucario so low, though?
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Apr 21 2008, 09:10 PM


Why is Lucario so low, though?

he sucks, end of story.
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Lucario only has knockback over 90%. Either you get the first stock or you are fucked.
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(Inui)lol, I'm not going to debate this game with you, Sephiroth. You probably have never entered a tournament or played real people. >_>;


To tell you the truth, I have never versed any human players, so I really wouldn't know, basically personnel experience with the computer means nothing in a debate. I just go by what characters that I have used on them and how good they are.

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(PyroIce)Olimar's whistle is an optional technique IMO, but you don't need to use it. I don't know what you mean with his Pikmin losing sync with him.


Losing sync, meaning that he will often have his Pikmen separate from him if doing special attacks.
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Apr 21 2008, 08:10 PM
If Sonic had more than one move that KOs people then I'd argue.

And Ivysaur is one of my favorites from PT o_o

Why is Lucario so low, though?

He can do some nasty stuff, but it's hard and generally eh anyways. His priority is trash.

Too bad. He's pretty eh.

He sucks. Bad KO power and easy to kill.
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