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Smash Bros. Help Topic; Q & A
Topic Started: May 27 2008, 07:45 PM (2,055 Views)
Oujay
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wow.... I just found out about B-sticking with Lucas. That shit is sick. Yeah, I'm behind.

Does anyone (inui) have any good Dedede vids? I've never played one that didn't suck outright.
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Super Saiyan SolidSense
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lol. go on youtube and search for mew2king's (m2k) Dedede. or look for romeo and his Dedede (it will be abbreviated either D3 or DDD).

Here's one.

M2k (Dedede) vs. Azen (Lucario)
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Oujay
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No School Drug Zone

Oh.
Chaingrabbing.
Got it now.
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Oujay
Jun 3 2008, 11:30 PM
Oh.
Chaingrabbing.
Got it now.

tilts, too.

chaingrabbing, tilts, air-edgeguarding, and taunts. :NomNomNom:
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Leon
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Fast ways to break out of a grab?
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Inui
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Leon
Jun 4 2008, 10:52 AM
Fast ways to break out of a grab?

Rotate the stick and mash jump and A.
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ZSS tips?
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Jun 4 2008, 03:18 PM
ZSS tips?

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lol too many people asking "how do I get good with X?"

You guys should visit the All is Brawl and Smashboards character boards. There are guides there. If you still have questions after that, come back and someone will answer.


Seriously, it's getting a little annoying when people ask "how do I use X character?" and such. I'm great at Smash, one of the best, and I play a lot of characters decently, but I don't know everything about everything, and asking me to explain a whole character is asking for too much.

A lot of people also think they're somehow going to get good with the entire cast, or most of it, without first getting good at the very game itself. No, you're not good if you're a casual player. Not even close. At the very most, you understand the basics of the game, but nothing high level and certainly not enough to just pick up any character you want and actually play them well.

It's best to start off working really hard one or two characters, get them to tournament level and perhaps even high level, and then learn other characters by applying the same things to those new characters.

This is why I tend to only care about your Lucario, Tiltyu. However, you seriously discouraged me when it comes to helping you out when you refused to watch Azen's Lucario(he's the best Lucario in the world, so there's nothing else that could be as useful when it comes to getting good) and you refused to attend tournaments even though you easily could. This makes me ask myself "why bother helping someone if it will never be applied to anything that matters?" I then get discouraged as a teacher and gain more dislike for "casualfags" since, to me, they waste my time asking me things when I could be spending that time making myself more amazing for tournaments and money instead.

I'm all for helping people get better, training with them, teaching them, and all that nice stuff. However, I'm not for helping people just because they're bored and come in here and say "tips for X character?" but have absolutely no intentions on ever applying what I say in tournaments. I'm not as nice as Solid.

I'll still gladly ask a specific question, like frame data, priority, match-ups, tiers, etc. That's no problem at all. Asking extremely vague questions is a no-no.
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[insert general question]

Nah, more specific. I main Marth and am having a lot of trouble with spacing. You must know this is important, as Marth basically relies on spacing.

I can space until Shield Wars start happening. with all the rolling, dodging, and shielding going on a have a really hard time knowing when and when not to try and punish with grabs/timed F-Smashes and stuff.

So should I just avoid this situation as much has possible, or what?

BTW me and my friends agreed that we will get better together, so over the summer we're just gonna play each other, get better, and go to some tournaments. That's mainly why I come to ask this question though, because one of my friends uses Wolf and OD's on Shield Pressure and rolling, dodges, etcetera and usually can get a stock off me before I damage him like, 50% D:
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I have no choice about tournaments. There are only low-profile tournaments here, and they only happen once in a blue moon. Even then, only few people attend so it'd be kinda awkward.

Many of us ask questions about different characters because we're still finding out who suits our playing style best. Sorry if it bothers you, but I think that wanting to get better isn't a bad thing, even if one is only a casual player. I agree that vague questions shouldn't be answered though...sorry for my post about G&W. =/ It was too broad.

I'd still like to know what are the best situations to use G&W's b-air though. I've starting using him because I don't feel comfortable with Toon Link anymore, and I seem to use all of his moves except for his side-b (and u-tilt, dunno why) quite well. His f-air seems a better move overall, but you're more knowledgeable at smash than me so... D:
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Nah, more specific. I main Marth and am having a lot of trouble with spacing. You must know this is important, as Marth basically relies on spacing.

I can space until Shield Wars start happening. with all the rolling, dodging, and shielding going on a have a really hard time knowing when and when not to try and punish with grabs/timed F-Smashes and stuff.

So should I just avoid this situation as much has possible, or what?


If you space f-airs and n-b's on someone's shield, they generally can't do anything about it. You want to the tip to hit. Just the shield with a tipper f-air and retreat backwards while in the air. Using the c stick makes this easier.

You can't sidestep Marth's f-b combo, especially if you end it with d-b. ;)

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BTW me and my friends agreed that we will get better together, so over the summer we're just gonna play each other, get better, and go to some tournaments. That's mainly why I come to ask this question though, because one of my friends uses Wolf and OD's on Shield Pressure and rolling, dodges, etcetera and usually can get a stock off me before I damage him like, 50%


You get good by going to tournaments and training with high level players. You won't improve much by only playing your friends. It certainly never helped me.

Wolf sucks. Just call the rolls and punish them. Stand there and react. If he rolls behind you, immediately turn around and f-b or grab him out of the roll. If he's just rolling around randomly, react to a roll and f-smash him at the very end of it or something. I usually pray for people to roll a lot against me since Marth destroys people that roll.

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I have no choice about tournaments. There are only low-profile tournaments here, and they only happen once in a blue moon. Even then, only few people attend so it'd be kinda awkward.


No Johnathon J. Johnsons about not being able to find tournaments and other players after I made that huge topic about doing exactly that, giving everyone all the resources they need and everything. :)

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Many of us ask questions about different characters because we're still finding out who suits our playing style best. Sorry if it bothers you, but I think that wanting to get better isn't a bad thing, even if one is only a casual player.


I'm an elitist prick with almost no interest in helping casual players get better since being good as a casual player amounts to nothing. No money, no glory, no tournament placings, no being involved in the community, etc. I simply can't bring myself to care enough to put more than a few lines of effort asking a specific question.

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I'd still like to know what are the best situations to use G&W's b-air though. I've starting using him because I don't feel comfortable with Toon Link anymore, and I seem to use all of his moves except for his side-b (and u-tilt, dunno why) quite well. His f-air seems a better move overall, but you're more knowledgeable at smash than me so...


Spaced b-air = nearly unpunishable. It also eats shields massively and refreshes Game and Watches moves since each individual hit actually does count as an individual hit. Even his u-air just blowing on someone counts towards refreshing moves.

Game and Watch has amazing offense and kills at very low percents. That's his strength.
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I must agree with an Inui, to an extent. Asking "How do I get better with X?" is not a very good idea, simply because Smashboards and All Is Brawl exist. These places have character guides. Some of these character guides are quite in-depth. If you're not willing to visit those boards and get the basics of your characters down, then why should you expect others to take time out of their schedules to help you out?

If you're interested as improving as a casual player, great. I'm not going to downgrade that, personally. I think the decision falls on you. I don't mind casual players, and I'm willing to help them out, but the initial effort needs to come from them. They need to understand what their characters are capable of at a very basic level. Read some topics. Then, when they're having trouble deciding on mains, I'd be more than happy to help out with information.

Anyway, some general advice is to get better with the game before getting better with the characters. Learn to play intelligently with all characters before learning about a specific one.

I'll give an example:

You're going to approach someone with an f-air. Before your f-air hits, that person puts up his or her shield. Why would you continue the f-air? There's no purpose at all to doing so. Change your momentum and land behind the shield or something. Certainly, that's the smarter move. Otherwise, you'll get shieldgrabbed.

People commit to attacks. They decide that they're going to do something, and they try to do it without any consideration of what their opponent is doing. This is not a good way to play. You have to be willing to constantly change your course of action based on what your opponent does.

Similarly, too many people watch their own characters. Why do you have to keep your eye on your own character? You already know what your character is going to do - you're inputting the command, after all. What you don't know is what your opponent is going to do. Watch your opponent, and just keep track of your own character with your peripheral vision. This is very, very useful.

So, learn to play intelligently, read up on some characters, and then I'm sure that Inui and others will be perfectly happy to answer your questions. Even if it's something like "How do I get better with X?" Once you know the basics, you can _legitimately_ ask that question (perhaps with some clarification on what areas you're lagging behind in).
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Arc


The one thing I have to ask, is how do I break my bad habits with smashes.

I never actually got a chance to get melee, because they were always sold out when I had the chance to get a game, so when I stepped into brawl, I brought my original game experience into the fray. The original game's tilts were generally pointless if you knew the smashes, since the attacks never really weakened, and I got into the habit of smashing every time I hit the A button(that was mainly because I only had a chance to play morons back then, who didn't know how to punish anything), Now the same thing is happening when I play brawl, which kills most of the usefullness of Snake and Ike(I know you don't like Ike, I just like playing as him because its fun, I'm trying to get good with Snake because he is severely underrated around here, instead of going with Meta). Well anyway, Do you got any tips of killing those habits?
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First, lots of people think that Snake > Meta Knight, including m2k himself. I think so, in fact. Snake has also won more large tournaments if you want quantitative evidence. Far more.

Anyway, learn to use the C-stick for smashes and aerials. The C-stick lets smashes come out just a tiny bit faster, and you can reverse your momentum for aerials by using it (such as, you can perform an f-air while going backwards, or a b-air while going forwards - you won't fastfall while d-airing, etc.). This will help you reserve the A button for tilts.
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I've already did that, but I still can't seem to pull off tilts, I seem to have got it stuck in my brain to smash. Any others that you can think of?

It usually doesn't cause me any troubles because I'm 10-15 times better than the best of my opponets, so I can get around it, but it killed me in the one tournament I entered. I'm trying to break the habit before entering another.
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