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Smash Bros. Help Topic; Q & A
Topic Started: May 27 2008, 07:45 PM (2,053 Views)
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Inui
Jun 5 2008, 12:24 PM
Arc
Jun 5 2008, 06:51 AM
Another question.

When is damage too high to do snakes down b cypher trick?

You mean blowing yourself up to recover? I honestly don't know since I don't play no god tiers, especially Ekans.

It depends on how strong the C4 is, as in, did you use it before and did it's strength decrease. Then it also depends on what stage you're on since they all have different ceilings and then how far down you are when you do it.

It's safe at low percents and dangerous at high percents.

I'm too lazy to find a vid of PsychoMidget doing the best Snake recovery evar, but I'm sure Solid can find it easily.

Thanks.

And thanks Solid for finding the vid.

I'll have to watch it tomorrow though, I have dial up, so watching a vid that long usually takes two-three hours. Usually I start up the loading process, then put in a movie, then check it when the movie is over.
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Jun 5 2008, 08:23 PM
Inui
Jun 5 2008, 12:24 PM
Arc
Jun 5 2008, 06:51 AM
Another question.

When is damage too high to do snakes down b cypher trick?

You mean blowing yourself up to recover? I honestly don't know since I don't play no god tiers, especially Ekans.

It depends on how strong the C4 is, as in, did you use it before and did it's strength decrease. Then it also depends on what stage you're on since they all have different ceilings and then how far down you are when you do it.

It's safe at low percents and dangerous at high percents.

I'm too lazy to find a vid of PsychoMidget doing the best Snake recovery evar, but I'm sure Solid can find it easily.

Thanks.

And thanks Solid for finding the vid.

I'll have to watch it tomorrow though, I have dial up, so watching a vid that long usually takes two-three hours. Usually I start up the loading process, then put in a movie, then check it when the movie is over.

Wow. The vid is only 4 minutes.
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It took a two hours to watch the "Advanced Snake Techniques" vid (pretty much pointless, I had already picked everything up from the FAQ on Brawl Central, but might as well), Yeah, my internet sucks. Its hard to believe I'm as active as I am on the sites I go to.
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Jun 5 2008, 03:03 PM
F-smash, lol. Against characters with a good deal of lag on their moves (like Ike), your f-smash will destroy. U-smash is also ridiculous. F-airs/b-airs are good for killing, but they're very hard to sweetspot, so you have to time them correctly. Camp Din's Fire. It's very difficult to work around for some.

I recommend using Sheik if you're going to use Zelda. Using Sheik in addition gives you massive control over counterpicking - only a few characters, such as Snake, have the advantage against both Sheik and Zelda. You also have the ability to control stages via switching out. Unlike with Pokemon Trainer, Zelda/Sheik can switch during frames of invincibility and fatigue is not involved; thus, the game is pretty lenient on your transformation. You also have complete control over the power decay on your moves. Use Sheik to damage and one of Zelda's ridiculously overpowered moves to kill in general. More specific things that you can do will depend on the character whom you're facing.

Both are very lightweight, so you're going to need to be careful about not taking damage. Sheik can camp needles and Zelda can camp Din's Fire, so camping in general is a good idea with them. Sheik's aerials are good, and she can perform a sliding u-smash and cover huge distance, which is also useful. Her f-air can no longer kill at low percents (as it could in Melee), so you're going to have to rely more on her b-air. Her d-smash is good as an interrupt, and her tilts are pretty good overall (u-tilt is very nice, since it's two hits).

This is generally quite bad advice. Everyone I've played that's good DIs out of Zelda's fsmash with more than 50% consistency, making it less then amazing to use a lot. Zelda's dtilt is a much better move than her fsmash. Until ~60 it isn't going to pop your opponent up and combos into itself(unless your opponent repeatedly smash DIs the dtilt until they get out of range.) Catching someone near the ledge with dtilt puts them in a horrible situation because even if they do smash DI the dtilts you can end with dsmash, which will send them at a ridiculously gay angle and probably kill them.

At higher percents dtilt will pop your opponent up and you can combo into fair or upsmash to kill them.

Din's Fire camping can be avoided with air dodging or by hitting the Din's Fire(you CAN hit it even though it explodes.) It's still not a bad idea on campy stages and/or vs bad characters but Din's Fire camping by itself is not going to work against good characters.

Snake does not have much of an advantage over Sheik if he has any at all. Needles shut down grenade camping and his boost smash. Hitting him at 0 guarantees at least 30-40 damage, an ftilt at 40 guarantees putting him at 80-100 because he's so heavy. Sheik can also edgeguard Snake very well. If he's recovering from low you can bair him into the stage and most people suck at teching in Brawl so he won't live until absurdly high %s(the lowest I've seen him die from this is ~87%.) Even if he's recovering from the side Sheik edgeguarding is amazing and he's guaranteed to take 40-50 damage just trying to make it back if he makes it back at all. Her ftilt has a good amount of range and can clank with his uptilt, which is his favorite kill move. Fortunately for her, her ftilt comes out faster than his uptilt so you can ftilt again and you'll hit him instead of him clanking with his.

Sheik's uptilt is alright but I definitely wouldn't say it's "very nice". The second hit can't be followed up because of the lag at the end and the angle it sends your opponent. You said you're going to have to rely on Sheik's bair more to kill because Sheik's fair doesn't kill at low %. I'll agree that off the stage Sheik's bair should be used to kill with but on the stage it isn't that great at killing. I'd rather dsmash or fsmash my opponent off the stage then edgeguard with bair. Upsmash(you can tipper through Battlefield platforms :)) and Vanish are good kill moves the former being her best kill move. Tipper upsmash can be set up by baiting an air dodge or upsmashing out of shield after your opponent does a ledge jump and immediately attacks. Another strategy is to just hit your opponent away with Sheik's dsmash then switch to Zelda and camp until you can dtilt --> upsmash.

SPECIAL NOTE ABOUT KILLING SPACE ANIMALS WITH SHEIK!

You can gimp them :). Most Fox and Falco players will side b onto the stage the majority of the time because it's a hard move to react and punish. Instead of trying to react to it, just watch how the specific player you're fighting uses it. Usually, they'll try to go through you :). Time a needle so that it'll hit them when they fall down to your height(do this against Wolf too because usually Wolf players wait until they drop under the stage) and it'll hit them out of their side B if they started it(though usually they won't have.) After that, run off the stage and fair twice(Falco/Wolf/Fox at mid to high %) or three times(Fox at low %) What will usually happen if you do this enough is that they'll change their habits and side B higher up because they're scared. You can deal with this by guessing that they're going to be obvious and jumping up and towards them and then fairing them repeatedly. Sheik's jump covers a lot of distance in a very short period of time, which makes it hard to react to so most people aren't going to see you coming to airdodge out of it especially when they're expecting you to throw needles.
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Lucas question

I've been watching some vids and learning a lot, and I noticed that no good lucas player ever uses up-b into himself attack, where you hit someone with yourself after PKthundering yourself. I always have a blast doing this. Does anyone know why its not used?

EDIT: and what the fuck is up with tripping
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Oujay
Jun 5 2008, 06:57 PM
Lucas question

I've been watching some vids and learning a lot, and I noticed that no good lucas player ever uses up-b into himself attack, where you hit someone with yourself after PKthundering yourself. I always have a blast doing this. Does anyone know why its not used?

EDIT: and what the fuck is up with tripping

Lucas' body when he uses PK thunder 2 does lots of damage and alright knockback but the problem is that PK Thunder moves too slowly into himself for it to be something that good people will fall for.

Tripping can be induced by moves like Diddy's bananas and it can randomly happen when you dash.
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I've decided to make an attempt at becoming a good player, and I'd like to try a new character.

So let me start by saying I tend to use a lot of smash attacks. Which characters can be used effectively like that?
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Airgrady
Jun 6 2008, 11:45 PM
I've decided to make an attempt at becoming a good player, and I'd like to try a new character.

So let me start by saying I tend to use a lot of smash attacks. Which characters can be used effectively like that?

lol why stop with Wolf? He's pretty good, IMO. :NomNomNom:
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Airgrady
Jun 6 2008, 10:45 PM
I've decided to make an attempt at becoming a good player, and I'd like to try a new character.

So let me start by saying I tend to use a lot of smash attacks. Which characters can be used effectively like that?

Wolf.
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Leon
Jun 7 2008, 04:27 AM
Airgrady
Jun 6 2008, 10:45 PM
I've decided to make an attempt at becoming a good player, and I'd like to try a new character.

So let me start by saying I tend to use a lot of smash attacks.  Which characters can be used effectively like that?

Wolf.

I'm getting bored of that. :(
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Airgrady
Jun 7 2008, 12:30 AM
Leon
Jun 7 2008, 04:27 AM
Airgrady
Jun 6 2008, 10:45 PM
I've decided to make an attempt at becoming a good player, and I'd like to try a new character.

So let me start by saying I tend to use a lot of smash attacks.  Which characters can be used effectively like that?

Wolf.

I'm getting bored of that. :(

Look at Inui's tier list, pick somebody you like playing in the top or high range. :NomNomNom:
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But all of them require not smash attack. Just stick with Wolf if smash attack heavy.
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Airgrady
Jun 6 2008, 10:45 PM
I've decided to make an attempt at becoming a good player, and I'd like to try a new character.

So let me start by saying I tend to use a lot of smash attacks. Which characters can be used effectively like that?

Keep Wolf for now.

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=96076
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Actually if you like using the C-Stick then Olimar is the man.

But there's now way you can beat a skilled player by just doing that :[
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Ignore everyone else.

Pay attention to my post.

Keep Wolf for now, click the link, and then do something. There's no other way to get good.
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