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Omni on why Brawl is not a good competitive game; Attention, all tasteless tetrahedra!
Topic Started: Jun 18 2008, 05:10 PM (1,794 Views)
Inui
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Wow @ someone that doesn't attend tournaments telling us what the metagame is and what characters are used in tournaments.
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Punishment Divine
Jul 31 2008, 09:58 PM
I still think this game is way funner than Melee. Maybe cause a like a slower paced game where I can think. Tripping is gay, yeah, but camping can be beaten and it's not like people have never played defensively in a competitive game.

Seriously, Brawl is NOT a fighting game. It is of a similar genre, but it has many different aspects. People expect too much out of it.

I also disagree with the point about the whole metagame being MK and Snake. Obviously right now, because people seem to think they're unbeatable but after a while when people realize they ARE beatable, the meta will be diverse. Honestly, Melee was like 5 characters which isn't much better.

Chain grabs are ridiculous? If you lose to a CG you phail unless it's like DDD on a wall. Most can be escaped, and IMO they're better than ridiculous combos found in Melee

Obviously you haven't cgd by Yoshi or Falco enough.

Problem is, Brawl IS a fighting game. It's an unorthodox one which is why people play it. Unfortunately, the creators forgot about he fighting part and decided to make it more like Mario Party. I almost believe the chaos theory that brawl was balanced for items. It's so dumb, yet makes some sense.
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Inui
Jul 31 2008, 10:02 PM
Wow @ someone that doesn't attend tournaments telling us what the metagame is and what characters are used in tournaments.

Wow @ I've attended like five tournaments in the past month and a half. I went to a tournament in CT and the top ten was pretty diverse. Ice Climbers, DK, Snake, one guy used a bunch, ZSS, Kirby/DDD, ROB and some others.

@Neo - Too bad Yoshi is trash otherwise and it's pretty easy to escape Falco's unless you're playing a trash character
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Lately my results around here have been this.

1. Snake
2. D3
3. MK
4. MK
5. Wolf (<3 Equi)
6. G&W
7. MK
8. MK
9. MK
10. Snake

Falco's cg rapes Wolf, Snake, D3, Fox, Himself, Link, and just about every other tall/nonfloaty character in the game.

When a person has to actually pick a secondary for ONLY chaingrab, there's a problem.

:NomNomNom:
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Matt Engarde
Jul 31 2008, 10:07 PM
Lately my results around here have been this.

1. Snake
2. D3
3. MK
4. MK
5. Wolf (<3 Equi)
6. G&W
7. MK
8. MK
9. MK
10. Snake

Most people near you evidently show up playing a DDD, Snake or MK, then hoping to win it all. Most people I know of play characters they're comfortable with and do just fine in beating MKs and Snakes :)
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Jul 31 2008, 10:09 PM
Matt Engarde
Jul 31 2008, 10:07 PM
Lately my results around here have been this.

1. Snake
2. D3
3. MK
4. MK
5. Wolf (<3 Equi)
6. G&W
7. MK
8. MK
9. MK
10. Snake

Most people near you evidently show up playing a DDD, Snake or MK, then hoping to win it all. Most people I know of play characters they're comfortable with and do just fine in beating MKs and Snakes :)

Congrats, Inui lost to our Snake.
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Matt Engarde
Jul 31 2008, 10:10 PM
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Jul 31 2008, 10:09 PM
Matt Engarde
Jul 31 2008, 10:07 PM
Lately my results around here have been this.

1. Snake
2. D3
3. MK
4. MK
5. Wolf (<3 Equi)
6. G&W
7. MK
8. MK
9. MK
10. Snake

Most people near you evidently show up playing a DDD, Snake or MK, then hoping to win it all. Most people I know of play characters they're comfortable with and do just fine in beating MKs and Snakes :)

Congrats, Inui lost to our Snake.

I know who he lost to and obviously if two players of similar skill clash there's a chance the other might lose.
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Punishment Divine
Jul 31 2008, 09:05 PM
Wow @ I've attended like five tournaments in the past month and a half. I went to a tournament in CT and the top ten was pretty diverse. Ice Climbers, DK, Snake, one guy used a bunch, ZSS, Kirby/DDD, ROB and some others.

@Neo - Too bad Yoshi is trash otherwise and it's pretty easy to escape Falco's unless you're playing a trash character

Link me to the tournaments. I haven't seen you yet.

Of course it looks like more characters are being used. There are a lot more characters in the game. A lower percentage is actually viable, though. The bottom tiers in Brawl have no chance, but they did in Melee.

You can't escape Falco's chaingrabs with most of the good characters until higher percents. It doesn't matter how good you are. Also, d-throw to dash attack cancelled up smash works on everyone at least once.

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Most people near you evidently show up playing a DDD, Snake or MK, then hoping to win it all. Most people I know of play characters they're comfortable with and do just fine in beating MKs and Snakes


Nobody cares about what shitty local-tourny-only Long Island players do. What happens at the big tournaments with good players is what really matters.

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Lately my results around here have been this.

1. Snake
2. D3
3. MK
4. MK
5. Wolf (<3 Equi)
6. G&W
7. MK
8. MK
9. MK
10. Snake


Lemme guess...

Afro
Seibrik
Rx/Gmoney = the Metas
xyz = the GaW

What about C.Doc's Pit and HRNut's Marth?

Also, the best people in FL are Afro, HRNut, xyz, and Seibrik. Everyone else is just okayish/decent or bad, imo.
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You know what, after playing M2k in a couple of friendlies in brawl I have to say the game is....eh. Like he's amazing, but if all mks played like that, there wouldn't be much of a contest. All a person really has to do is main mk and have a secondary of D3 or Snake and they will generally win if skilled enough.

That and camping is not fun. :NomNomNom:
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Starting to realize that the game is abysmal, Ben? :)
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Inui
Jul 31 2008, 10:12 PM
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Jul 31 2008, 09:05 PM
Wow @ I've attended like five tournaments in the past month and a half. I went to a tournament in CT and the top ten was pretty diverse. Ice Climbers, DK, Snake, one guy used a bunch, ZSS, Kirby/DDD, ROB and some others.

@Neo - Too bad Yoshi is trash otherwise and it's pretty easy to escape Falco's unless you're playing a trash character

Link me to the tournaments. I haven't seen you yet.

Of course it looks like more characters are being used. There are a lot more characters in the game. A lower percentage is actually viable, though. The bottom tiers in Brawl have no chance, but they did in Melee.

You can't escape Falco's chaingrabs with most of the good characters until higher percents. It doesn't matter how good you are. Also, d-throw to dash attack cancelled up smash works on everyone at least once.

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Most people near you evidently show up playing a DDD, Snake or MK, then hoping to win it all. Most people I know of play characters they're comfortable with and do just fine in beating MKs and Snakes


Nobody cares about what shitty local-tourny-only Long Island players do. What happens at the big tournaments with good players is what really matters.

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Lately my results around here have been this.

1. Snake
2. D3
3. MK
4. MK
5. Wolf (<3 Equi)
6. G&W
7. MK
8. MK
9. MK
10. Snake


Lemme guess...

Afro
Seibrik
Rx/Gmoney = the Metas
xyz = the GaW

What about C.Doc's Pit and HRNut's Marth?

Also, the best people in FL are Afro, HRNut, xyz, and Seibrik. Everyone else is just okayish/decent or bad, imo.

I played HRNut a couple times he's pretty good. Seibrik is eh, I really haven't played a serious match with him. CDoc I've only seen at Willvolution, but gay Pit is gay Pit. Xyz is good. But like I said, Equi is probably one of the better ones considering he can place fifth with Wolf only. And now he HAS to switch for a secondary for Falco and D3 and MK. Rx and Gmoney are =/.
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Rx and Gmoney have the most depressing playstyles I have ever seen and they embody all that is bad about Brawl. I'm glad I beat Gmoney in singles, and I wish I got to rape Rx. Oh, DJ Nintendo 2-0'd his Meta Knight with Bowser for the North already, so whatever. XD

Equi needs to stop using only Wolf to be good.
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I can't find the exact topic on SWF, but it was in CT about two or three weeks ago and a few notable players like Nintendude and Catfight showed up. Others I don't remember.

I play Marth so obviously Falco's CG isn't that big of a deal to me. Im pretty sure GnW doesnt care much either. And about picking a secondary for the CG: most characters totally raped by it would have trouble against him to begin with. It's always good to have a secondary anyways, imo.

Bottom tiers have no chance? This is only more visable than in Melee because there's more characters. The only characters I feel are COMPLETELY unusable are Jiggs, Link, Ganon, and MAYBE Samus and Yoshi although I did see a very good Samus at the CT tournament. Everyone else is entirely usable. Sonic, even, can beat top tiers. It all lies in playskill.

BTW Inui are you going to Regionals in CT? If you are I might see you there.

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Like I said, Equi is amazing with wolf. Poor guy is now picking a secondary for everybody else, He'll probably consistently place in top 3 when his secondary gets as good as Wolf.
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Jul 31 2008, 10:22 PM
I can't find the exact topic on SWF, but it was in CT about two or three weeks ago and a few notable players like Nintendude and Catfight showed up. Others I don't remember.

I play Marth so obviously Falco's CG isn't that big of a deal to me. Im pretty sure GnW doesnt care much either. And about picking a secondary for the CG: most characters totally raped by it would have trouble against him to begin with. It's always good to have a secondary anyways, imo.

Bottom tiers have no chance? This is only more visable than in Melee because there's more characters. The only characters I feel are COMPLETELY unusable are Jiggs, Link, Ganon, and MAYBE Samus and Yoshi although I did see a very good Samus at the CT tournament. Everyone else is entirely usable. Sonic, even, can beat top tiers. It all lies in playskill.

BTW Inui are you going to Regionals in CT? If you are I might see you there.

....what. Guy must really suck then to lose.

Double post for shock.
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