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| Inui | Jun 24 2008, 09:07 PM Post #1 |
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Power of Flower
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Jab: Snake F-tilt: Snake D-tilt: Zelda U-tilt: Snake F-smash: Game and Watch D-smash: Meta Knight U-smash: Zelda U-air: Meta Knight D-air: Dedede B-air: Dedede F-air: Marth N-air: Marth B: Meta Knight F-b: Marth D-b: Snake U-b: Marth F-throw: Ice Climbers B-throw: Ness U-throw: Pit D-throw: Dedede Final Smash: Sonic What do you guys think?
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| Yzarc | Jun 24 2008, 09:18 PM Post #2 |
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Coxian
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Who has the best FSmash? |
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| (*Jman*) | Jun 24 2008, 09:23 PM Post #3 |
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Kakatte Koi!
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Lucas' upsmash is good at punishing airdodging but it's not the best upsmash in the game. That's Zelda's, possibly Sheik's if grab release boost smash does combo on Meta. Dedede's dair is good but highly situational. I'd rather have Meta's dair, which can kill, edgeguard, and gimp. Falco's is also better because he can CG to spike and edgeguard Snake with repeated spikes. LOL at Yoshi's bair. The move is good but not THAT good. Jesus foot, Toon Link's bair for superior combos/shieldpressure, ZSS' to kill with, Sheik's for edgeguarding, Fair - Marth's is good but dtilt fair works with Zelda. Ryoko also does this gay thing where after you trip from a dtilt he'll guess you're going to roll away because everyone in the world does and then he'll fair you. Forward b - Zero Suit Samus. Down b - Sheik/Zelda and Charizard :). Up b - Meta Knight's. Marth's is better vs Meta to escape from the bair but Meta's up b can be comboed into and used to gimp with. Marth's has good knockback but it generally isn't as good, though it is more irritating to edgeguard. Fthrow and dthrow both belong to Ice Climbers. Pika has a good fthrow and Dedede has a good dthrow but 0-->death on everyone in the game is better than their limited CGs. You also completely forgot to list nair. |
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| Inui | Jun 24 2008, 09:33 PM Post #4 |
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Power of Flower
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Some changes made. Dedede's d-air is the best move in the game to come down on someone with since it only loses to Peach's u-tilt. It also wins all mid-air exchanges. Dedede's d-throw > ICs. They're gayness from the f-throw. How is Zamus's f-b better than Marth's? |
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| sephiroth667 | Jun 24 2008, 09:57 PM Post #5 |
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Nostalgia
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Yours except: D-air: Lucario/Falco B-air: Game and Watch B: Falco D-b: Marth B-throw: Pikachu Final Smash: Wolf (Landmaster is w1n in general, but Wolf's comment is lulzy) |
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| (*Jman*) | Jun 24 2008, 09:57 PM Post #6 |
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Kakatte Koi!
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That's nice. Does it kill? No. All it does is deal a minor amount of damage, it can be beaten from the side, and if you land on the ground with it you have landing lag, which sux balls since it doesn't have good knockback. Meta's can kill, he can edgeguard with it, and he can gimp with it. All in all, it's much better OVERALL than Dedede's dair.
Some characters are easier for Icies to CG with dthrow. Finishing with dthrow fair is good and on Snake unless you got him to like 150 damage that's the easiest way to kill him.
Godly range, it can be comboed into from her "LOL dsmash with 0 frames after it hits and barely any startup lag", and it can be used in the air. Also, you failed at responding to other things you didn't change. |
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| Neo | Jun 24 2008, 10:04 PM Post #7 |
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Tits and Ass
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Toon Link's b-air is pretty good, but how about DK's? It puts spacing, pressure, makes a great edge guard, and can easily kill. |
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| Inui | Jun 24 2008, 10:07 PM Post #8 |
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Power of Flower
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Minor? It can do like 17 IIRC and has broken priority. I'll give you Meta's, though. Too bad Dedede's d-throw rapes almost every character in the game, gets characters off the stage, sets up for mix-ups and gayness, can INSTANT KILL WITH ABSOLUTELY NO METHOD OF ESCAPE on lots of stages you're cool with, and Dedede's grab is tons and tons and tons easier to connect than IC's. Marth's is a 4-frame punisher that eats through moves like Meta Knight's dash attack. It does good damage. It refreshes like crazy. It doesn't require a hard-to-hit move to set up. Transformations aren't moves. |
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| Admin | Jun 24 2008, 10:46 PM Post #9 |
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There is a light that never goes out...
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I always thought Ike's jab combo was better than Snake's. |
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| cool story bro | Jun 24 2008, 10:51 PM Post #10 |
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Bair goes to Game and Watch. Seriously, that thing has so many good things going for it. |
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| Inui | Jun 24 2008, 10:55 PM Post #11 |
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Snake's is 1 frame faster and can actually kill. That > 2% more damage.
Notice how both Kashif and I didn't even consider that move for best b-air? Changed best B-air to DEDEDE. Fast, high priority, EXTREMELY good at killing and gimping, and it's not airdodgable because he can hit you out of your airdodge with another b-air. |
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| (*Jman*) | Jun 24 2008, 11:06 PM Post #12 |
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Kakatte Koi!
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Yes....if you jump into it. Since if you're intelligent you're not going to jump into it, there goes that.
The Icies dthrow CG works on everyone in the game, its just varying levels of difficulty depending on what character your opponent is. Dthrow fair works on everyone in the game, which is an easy setup for the ice block lock. You can move during the ice block lock if you do it properly so you can take them to the edge of the stage and then hit them with dsmash for 39 damage and probably the kill or fsmash.
Yes, and so does the Icies CG.
Wow, you can't just throw in random fighting game terms. Dedede's Dthrow doesn't lead into ANYTHING against characters that Dedede can't CG unless your opponent is an idiot and they sidestep right after teching it or if they roll away and you pull a Gordo. Against characters he CAN CG what are you going to do besides dthrow ftilt at the ledge?
It's not instant kill. He can trip. A banana, grenade in hand, land mine and a gyro all stop it. Peach can float, Charizard and Ivysaur can camp on a platform and switch to Squirtle, Lucas and Ness can camp the top of Corneria and heal with lasers, and Bowser can do it right back to Dedede. The Icies CG on the other hand IS inescapable. They can't trip during theirs.
Irrelevant and possibly incorrect. All you listed was dthrow.
ZSS' dsmash isn't hard to land. Call a sidestep and dsmash, call an airdodge and up b --> dsmash, call an attack and sidestep dsmash and you'll land it. ZSS' side b has broken range, 2 hits, the first of which combos into the second one, comes out fast, and generally is massive rape.
Why not? Their down B's used intelligently gives you a MASSIVE advantage and refreshes your moves. But fine, if you aren't going to count them, Blizzard is still better than C4. Desynched Blizzard beats everything in the game. You can walk back to make the 2nd climber do the Blizzard while moving back or walk forward to have them do it going forward. Single Blizzard also leads into a grab until it freezes them, which is at pretty high percent.
I actually just forgot about it. It probably is the best bair.
You can't airdodge out of Zelda's either for the same reason and the weak one sets up for the strong one on the ground. Training mode doesn't say it combos but it also doesn't register all the hits of dancing blade as a combo. Best nair is probably G&W's. You can't stop him from ledgecamping with it and it has massive range. |
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| Super Saiyan SolidSense | Jun 25 2008, 08:38 PM Post #13 |
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Shuttle Loop > Marth's up-B,,,Shuttle Loop is awesome for gimping. |
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| Flashfire | Jul 17 2008, 01:42 AM Post #14 |
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GW's down smash. works 2 different ways and both kill at 65% or higher |
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| not_patrick | Jul 22 2008, 08:46 PM Post #15 |
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I don't go to tournaments so don't get mad over how ridiculous my list is. You can laugh at me though.
Jab: Wolf F-tilt: Snake D-tilt: Zelda U-tilt: Snake F-smash: Marth D-smash: Pikachu U-smash: Snake U-air: Meta Knight D-air: Ganondorf B-air: Game and Watch F-air: Marth N-air: Falco Z-air: Samus B: Wario F-b: DK D-b: Snake U-b: Pikachu(quick attack canceling xP) F-throw: ??? B-throw: ??? U-throw: ??? D-throw: Dedede Final Smash: Luigi |
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