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| Soja | Jun 30 2008, 06:39 AM Post #16 |
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Nevermind. For the haze of your elitism, you overlook my point. Exeunt Soja |
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| Linoud | Jun 30 2008, 10:54 AM Post #17 |
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Knight of Seven
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Inui clearly doesn't play FPS, Soja. Your point was overlooked in the first place, though I do believe it covers all games. Inui, you've missed the entire point completely. You never limit yourself in competetive play. This is to improve your skill without relying on a certain thing, Soja's example was to improve noscoping on H3. HJ's problem is that his limit has become a habit. GG. |
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| Linkssword | Jun 30 2008, 12:40 PM Post #18 |
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Why would you even limit yourself in the first place? You can become the best shielder ever in Brawl, but if you limit yourself to not using grabs you're gunna get raped when you face anyone halfway decent as they are going to just grab you when you shield, making it useless. :\ |
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| (*Jman*) | Jun 30 2008, 01:10 PM Post #19 |
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Kakatte Koi!
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Except not grabbing is like sniping someone in the leg on purpose. Sure you can get good at sniping someone in the leg that way but that's a skill that will never help you in competitive play. |
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| Linoud | Jun 30 2008, 01:51 PM Post #20 |
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Well, actually it would in H3. Two shots anywhere with a sniper = kill. But not using a scope usually makes you better up close with a sniper and not completely screwed over. Then you can get headshots and just kills with one shot followed by a beatdown. Sniper who doesn't know how to noscope properly = lol. I know what your saying though, Brawl isn't really the game where you can limit yourself and achieve a positive outcome. I don't grab usually, because I've always used Link and his grab sucks. If I'm sure I can land it though, I grab.
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| Reaver | Jun 30 2008, 03:12 PM Post #21 |
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Troll
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This is where I would say "you mean like infinities" but I have the feeling that some rules that aren't in the game mean more than other rules that aren't in the game. |
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| (*Jman*) | Jun 30 2008, 03:35 PM Post #22 |
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Kakatte Koi!
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The Dedede standing infinite isn't THAT bad.
Samus, Luigi, and Mario can all mash out of the infinite if you're fast at mashing and Bowser can ledgecamp and CG Dedede back across the stage. It's only DK who really gets massively raped by it. On the other hand, the infinite on Ness and Lucas is just retarded. Grab at any percent and you're gone. |
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| Inui | Jun 30 2008, 03:51 PM Post #23 |
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No @ both Soja and Linoud. You're both wrong because *gasp* you are not competitive gamers. What you explained as some kind of "point/honour code" or some shit is ridiculous in competitive play. It does not make you better to limit yourself. Soja's point was that not using the scope makes you better at killing without it. Too bad it's actually not smart to just never use the scope in order to get better at not using it. Just use both methods in the situations each one is better at 100% of the time. |
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| Mike Hunt | Jun 30 2008, 03:57 PM Post #24 |
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You do realize that no items, stage bans and so on would qualify as "self-made rules that don't exist in the game" as well, right?
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| Inui | Jun 30 2008, 03:59 PM Post #25 |
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No, it doesn't. We don't create situations that don't exist in the gameplay. We just change the settings within the game to turn a party game into a fighting game. |
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| Linoud | Jun 30 2008, 04:01 PM Post #26 |
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Knight of Seven
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*gasp* Your clearly not a competive gamer outside Smash! Perhaps if you stoped being an elitist and took the point for once you would understand. Playing a few games with friends with an honor rule of noscoping = increases noscoping skill immensely so that when it is required in competive play you can do it without the trouble. I'm likely to be attending a H3 WGL tournament in a few days though Lucas, so by all means, continue your arguement about not being competetive for the time being. Your being such an obstinate cunt saying that limiting doesn't improve your skill, your even trying to say it's truth in a game you don't seem to even play IRL in, or much at all. GG. |
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| Mike Hunt | Jun 30 2008, 04:01 PM Post #27 |
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Well, in Brawl you could map your controller so that there's no grabbing, no jumping or anything like that. So no grabbing is technically a situation that exists in the game as well. |
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| Inui | Jun 30 2008, 04:11 PM Post #28 |
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I play Guilty Gear competitively. You'd only be correct in saying I don't play shooters and RTS's competitively, because I'm active in fighting games.
No. Use the sniper without the scope in situations where it's better to do so. Use the sniper with the scope in the situations where it's better to do so. Do not use the sniper without the scope in situations where using the scope is better because that is not going to benefit you at all in competitive play. In fact, it will do the opposite.
Scrubby Europe tournaments mean almost nothing when compared to the extremely high level of stuff in America and Asia. Sorry, but it's the truth. No amount of bias in the world can change the fact that your entire continent's competition is far less than that of Asia and America when it comes to gaming. Back in Melee, you had three whole players on your entire continent that could compare to America's top players, and they weren't even as good as our top ten. That's just an example from one game. I'm not trying to be a dick and just say "Europe sucks!" for no reason. I'm just being honest. Your top players consistently lose to the top players of America and Asia in competitive gaming.
I don't need to play shooters competitively to realize how terrible yours and Soja's points are.
Wow, dude. Do you really want to continue this debate after posting that? |
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| Mike Hunt | Jun 30 2008, 04:13 PM Post #29 |
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Not really. I just wanted to point out that you go around branding people scrubs when the very definition can apply to the no-items/fancy stages mindset as well. |
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| Linoud | Jun 30 2008, 04:19 PM Post #30 |
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Lucas. Who said no-scoping was for long-range? I'm talking when it's impossible to use the scope when being fire upon or if in close quarters. It's actually impossible to use a scope if being fire on, so if you've practiced no-scoping, you can actually fight a shotgun/sword up close. GG. Unless of course you want to explain how having a sniper match without using the scope for practice isn't going to increase players skill without the scope, I'd not continue. But the one thing you don't seem to be actually understanding is: Practice. This isn't in competetive games. Improving no-scope skill is an excellent defense for a sniper. I agree with the point, use a scope if needed, and no-scope if needed, but really, you seem to think practising without a scope = scrub. I'm sure any of your "pros" have practiced snipers without scopes. Another thing Lucas, I just said I was attending a tournament and I'd be technically a competetive gamer by your terms. I never said anything about Europe/America/Asias skill level in terms of games. Sorry, it's the truth. There it seemed like you really did want to bring up a point about tournament skill levels in different areas, just to be a dick.
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