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Okay, so, I realized I have a small problem...
Topic Started: Jun 29 2008, 03:02 PM (1,317 Views)
sephiroth667
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Okay.

So basically I would say Soja is right, but it really doesn't apply to Smash. I can see how that would benefit you even if I don't play Halo 3. However in Smash you should grab almost WHENEVER you get the chance. If I approach you with my Marth's Fair and you shield, if I don't wind up behind you and you DON'T shieldgrab, Jesus Christ would I be a happy camper.

They're two different things. Granted some people are grab happy, so that's about the only thing this rule keeps you from being. But not grabbing in this game would be more like not using grenades or something in Halo. It's just something you NEED to do sometimes and practicing without it really does nothing for you.
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Jun 30 2008, 04:19 PM
Lucas. Who said no-scoping was for long-range? I'm talking when it's impossible to use the scope when being fire upon or if in close quarters. It's actually impossible to use a scope if being fire on, so if you've practiced no-scoping, you can actually fight a shotgun/sword up close. GG.

So don't use the scope in those situations and use the scope when it's better to. That's been my point the entire time. Playing matches without the scope entirely is stupid, however.

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Unless of course you want to explain how having a sniper match without using the scope for practice isn't going to increase players skill without the scope, I'd not continue. But the one thing you don't seem to be actually understanding is:

Practice. This isn't in competetive games. Improving no-scope skill is an excellent defense for a sniper. I agree with the point, use a scope if needed, and no-scope if needed, but really, you seem to think practising without a scope = scrub. I'm sure any of your "pros" have practiced snipers without scopes.


Oh, it's bound to increase your skill without the scope, but it will increase it in situations where it's worse than using the scope going by your practising methods. That's not worth anything. If you just play the game and use the scope when it's better and don't use it when it's better not to, you'll be fine in either situation.

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Another thing Lucas, I just said I was attending a tournament and I'd be technically a competetive gamer by your terms. I never said anything about Europe/America/Asias skill level in terms of games. Sorry, it's the truth. There it seemed like you really did want to bring up a point about tournament skill levels in different areas, just to be a dick. :hmm:


Winning local gamestore tournaments doesn't make you a competitive gamer. Winning in an area where nobody is actually good doesn't make you a competitive gamer.

My best friend Steffan has a friend named John that wins all the Brawl events in Johnstown, PA. I can threestock that guy and I think he's terrible and I'm only the second/third highest level in Brawl. John is not a competitive gamer just because he wins local nonsense.

Competitive gamers play to win.
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By my own methods, and Soja's, this improves your skill without the scope in all situations, I only no-scope up close or if scoping is impossible. It's not become a habbit to try no-scope long-range or mid-range opponents though, It really depends on the situation at hand.

Lololol, alot of people just play to win, yet they don't play in tournaments or anything. Would they be classed as competetive gamers? How about people who just play to win online? Are they competetive gamers? Please clarify what competetive gamer is plz.

Unrelated to that though:
It's a lan event. BYO360/TV. There'll be CoD4 Tournaments, H3 Tournaments and GoW Tournaments. There's also other games I think but, I'm not too interested in them. It should be pretty decent. The guys who were in my class won the GoW tournament, so I'm not expecting it to be over the top skill with the players, I'm just going to establish how good I am at H3. Only thing prohibiting me from going is my lack of a smaller TV, which I hope to procure for the day.
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Linoud
Jun 30 2008, 04:36 PM
By my own methods, and Soja's, this improves your skill without the scope in all situations, I only no-scope up close or if scoping is impossible. It's not become a habbit to try no-scope long-range or mid-range opponents though, It really depends on the situation at hand.

Lololol, alot of people just play to win, yet they don't play in tournaments or anything. Would they be classed as competetive gamers? How about people who just play to win online? Are they competetive gamers? Please clarify what competetive gamer is plz.

Unrelated to that though:
It's a lan event. BYO360/TV. There'll be CoD4 Tournaments, H3 Tournaments and GoW Tournaments. There's also other games I think but, I'm not too interested in them. It should be pretty decent. The guys who were in my class won the GoW tournament, so I'm not expecting it to be over the top skill with the players, I'm just going to establish how good I am at H3. Only thing prohibiting me from going is my lack of a smaller TV, which I hope to procure for the day.

So...you agree that playing entire games where it's a rule not use the scope is stupid? You agree that you should not use the scope in situations where it's better to not use the scope, and only those situations?

lol, that was only one trait of competitive gamers that you and Soja seemed to not take into account when promoting your foolish "honour codes" with regards to the scopes. Just play to win. Don't make up rules that limit your ability to win because those rules don't exist in competitive play.

Honestly...local shit doesn't mean much. It's MLG/EVO/Etc. that means the most. It's a start, so it's not like it's worth nothing at all, but you gotta go farther than that.
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Jun 30 2008, 10:41 PM
Linoud
Jun 30 2008, 04:36 PM
By my own methods, and Soja's, this improves your skill without the scope in all situations, I only no-scope up close or if scoping is impossible. It's not become a habbit to try no-scope long-range or mid-range opponents though, It really depends on the situation at hand.

Lololol, alot of people just play to win, yet they don't play in tournaments or anything. Would they be classed as competetive gamers? How about people who just play to win online? Are they competetive gamers? Please clarify what competetive gamer is plz.

Unrelated to that though:
It's a lan event. BYO360/TV. There'll be CoD4 Tournaments, H3 Tournaments and GoW Tournaments. There's also other games I think but, I'm not too interested in them. It should be pretty decent. The guys who were in my class won the GoW tournament, so I'm not expecting it to be over the top skill with the players, I'm just going to establish how good I am at H3. Only thing prohibiting me from going is my lack of a smaller TV, which I hope to procure for the day.

So...you agree that playing entire games where it's a rule not use the scope is stupid? You agree that you should not use the scope in situations where it's better to not use the scope?

lol, that was only one trait of competitive gamers that you and Soja seemed to not take into account when promoting your foolish "honour codes" with regards to the scopes. Just play to win. Don't make up rules that limit your ability to win because those rules don't exist in competitive play.

Honestly...local shit doesn't mean much. It's MLG/EVO/Etc. that means the most. It's a start, so it's not like it's worth nothing at all, but you gotta go farther than that.

Local shit? It's an Irish Lan Event, and it's a good distance away. It's not even in my country/province. It's not a local thing, but I know what you mean. It's not going to be the omfg MLG playoffs. It'll be like, WGL playoffs.
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Well, good luck.
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I've failed to come up with something witty, so I hope you will enjoy this filler text instead.

I played with some friends today. They got really pissed at me when I grabbed the fuck out of them with Dedede. :NomNomNom:
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Jun 30 2008, 06:03 PM
I played with some friends today. They got really pissed at me when I grabbed the fuck out of them with Dedede. :NomNomNom:

Let them get pissed lol

They'll never amount to anything more than scrubs if they really enjoy playing with such shitty rules.

Maybe you should teach them about spot dodging :rolleyes:
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Not grabbing in Brawl, meh...

Not grabbing in Melee? Are you kerazy? Please tell me you grabbed in 64; several throws could killify you in 64.
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You know...

The "no-scope honor rule" training method was concepted by MLG pros.

The best Halo 3 snipers are able to land headshots without using the scope. With stick sensitivity at eight or some crazy shit like that. It's beneficial to learn to not rely on the scope because that way, you can't get snuck up on because you can't see your radar because you're scoping. Among other, more obvious things like a better peripheral vision.

I never said to use an honor rule in the middle of a competitive tournament level game. That, I will give, is idiotic.

I thought you had good reading comprehension. Guess even I can be wrong sometimes.

So. Good fucking game, asshole.
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Jun 30 2008, 08:26 PM
You know...

The "no-scope honor rule" training method was concepted by MLG pros.

The best Halo 3 snipers are able to land headshots without using the scope. With stick sensitivity at eight or some crazy shit like that. It's beneficial to learn to not rely on the scope because that way, you can't get snuck up on because you can't see your radar because you're scoping. Among other, more obvious things like a better peripheral vision.

I never said to use an honor rule in the middle of a competitive tournament level game. That, I will give, is idiotic.

I thought you had good reading comprehension. Guess even I can be wrong sometimes.

So. Good fucking game, asshole.

Did you miss this?

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No.

Use the sniper without the scope in situations where it's better to do so.

Use the sniper with the scope in the situations where it's better to do so.

Do not use the sniper without the scope in situations where using the scope is better because that is not going to benefit you at all in competitive play. In fact, it will do the opposite.
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Tell that to MLGCloud.

But no. I didn't miss it. I didn't address it because it wasn't part of my problem with your argument.
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Note to self (and others) arguing with Lucas gets you nowhere. :NomNomNom:

I don't grab a whole lot, either. I usually get jacked when I try, unless the opening's really obvious. And I find them a little cheap, and which is not fun, IMO.
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Jun 30 2008, 08:58 PM
I don't grab a whole lot, either. I usually get jacked when I try, unless the opening's really obvious. And I find them a little cheap, and which is not fun, IMO.

Grabs are not cheap in Brawl. Sheilding and camping in general is broken in Brawl. You have to grab to negate how good shielding is. Only good characters like Dedede and Meta Knight can do anything good from a grab, anyways. Everyone else has to just throw and then guess right.

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Tell that to MLGCloud.

But no. I didn't miss it. I didn't address it because it wasn't part of my problem with your argument.


There's no benefit to playing a whole game without the scope because it prevents you from using the scope in situations where it's better to do so.

Regardless of MLGCloud's status(not sure if he's a professional or not), I think he's wrong.
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*Facepalm*

Look, DUNCE. You play WITHOUT the scope to DEVELOP the kind of skill it takes to do THIS and THIS. By playing WITHOUT the scope as PRACTICE...

Wait. Do you know what practice is?

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prac·tice /ˈpræktɪs/ -tic·ing.
–noun
1. habitual or customary performance; operation: office practice.
2. habit; custom: It is not the practice here for men to wear long hair.
3. repeated performance or systematic exercise for the purpose of acquiring skill or proficiency: Practice makes perfect.
4. condition arrived at by experience or exercise: She refused to play the piano, because she was out of practice.
5. the action or process of performing or doing something: to put a scheme into practice; the shameful practices of a blackmailer.
6. the exercise or pursuit of a profession or occupation, esp. law or medicine: She plans to set up practice in her hometown.
7. the business of a professional person: The doctor wanted his daughter to take over his practice when he retired.
8. Law. the established method of conducting legal proceedings.
9. Archaic. plotting; intrigue; trickery.
10. Usually, practices. Archaic. intrigues; plots.
–verb (used with object)
11. to perform or do habitually or usually: to practice a strict regimen.
12. to follow or observe habitually or customarily: to practice one's religion.
13. to exercise or pursue as a profession, art, or occupation: to practice law.
14. to perform or do repeatedly in order to acquire skill or proficiency: to practice the violin.
15. to train or drill (a person, animal, etc.) in something in order to give proficiency.
–verb (used without object)
16. to do something habitually or as a practice.
17. to pursue a profession, esp. law or medicine.
18. to exercise oneself by repeated performance in order to acquire skill: to practice at shooting.
19. Archaic. to plot or conspire.

... By PRACTICING without the scope, you develop a skill WITH and WITHOUT it.

It is called ADAPTATION.

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a·dapt /əˈdæpt/
–verb (used with object)
1. to make suitable to requirements or conditions; adjust or modify fittingly


Didn't I say Soja Exeunt earlier? Oh yeah.
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