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Mafia game VIII
Topic Started: Sep 20 2008, 05:28 AM (4,548 Views)
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that moron that forgot this is s11

Yzarc Drowsnam
Oct 6 2008, 05:07 PM
Doesn't really matter since it's bandwagon already, but THR didn't investigate me. He just figured that since the mafia knew he was detective, one of his group of friends (myself, Linoud, Sothe and someone else iirc) must have been a rat. I'm pretty sure a lot more people knew though.

Ignoring the possibility that you're lying about what he said -- after all, we HAVE to, in order to have any cognitive discussion about this...That's all he *told* you. He might have done so anyway, to be sure.

Now, the same line of logic -- that's what he SAID -- can be used against me as well. Which is why I bring up Chris's demeanor thus far. He's been very, very careful in this game. Now, I wasn't aware that he had an entire network of people, as you're saying, but apparently he did, in order to prevent being screwed over by one person. And I'm sure you've noticed...he hasn't spoken directly regarding this at all. He had Linoud and Sothe give the names and everything.

So we know he's cautious. Which is why he investigated you -- to be sure.
Wirt
 
I conquered the world with nothing but diarrhea and depression.

Previously: Ron DeLite, Simon
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Fraulein Holls
Sep 14 2008, 06:16 PM
Some Kind Of Monster - Metallica

>> Metallica wub all of a sudden

Say, I know a member currently going by Ron DeLite who also loves Metallica, you two should totally hook up.
God of Thunder - KISS

rofl Chris
 
Chris says:
you know what
Chris says:
someone
Chris says:
once said to be
Chris says:
me*
Chris says:
when someone did
Chris says:
d(-_-)b
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wtf, how'd they invert the b?
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Yzarc
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If he investigated me earlier and found me to be mafia, I'd be dead already, like how he nailed Crysta just after night 1. If he investigated me this most recent night phase, he'd be far too dead to tell his buddies. This is nothing but a desperate attempt to pin his own death on someone.
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Yzarc Drowsnam
Oct 6 2008, 05:24 PM
If he investigated me earlier and found me to be mafia, I'd be dead already, like how he nailed Crysta just after night 1. If he investigated me this most recent night phase, he'd be far too dead to tell his buddies. This is nothing but a desperate attempt to pin his own death on someone.

Not true. Recall that the bandwagon killed off Sety on Day 2, likely before he could get the word out.

Moreover, what motive would he have had for pinning his death on someone without proof? After all, he was working to help the citizens...and to incriminate someone without proof is more likely to help the Mafia than the citizens.

The only desperation I sense here is radiating from the crazed swordsman.
Wirt
 
I conquered the world with nothing but diarrhea and depression.

Previously: Ron DeLite, Simon
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Fraulein Holls
Sep 14 2008, 06:16 PM
Some Kind Of Monster - Metallica

>> Metallica wub all of a sudden

Say, I know a member currently going by Ron DeLite who also loves Metallica, you two should totally hook up.
God of Thunder - KISS

rofl Chris
 
Chris says:
you know what
Chris says:
someone
Chris says:
once said to be
Chris says:
me*
Chris says:
when someone did
Chris says:
d(-_-)b
Chris says:
wtf, how'd they invert the b?
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Hollie
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Yzarc tried to defend me therefore I'm mafia? That's . . . not the best logic I've ever heard.

I guess I'll vote for Yzarc anyway, though. Sorry. :Psyduck:

Yzarc - 4 (Simon, Linoud,Tripz, Hollie)
Holly - 3 (Yuggles, Kratos, Yzarc)
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Yzarc
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What of my posts hints at desperation?

Have you met THR? He's the kind of guy that thinks he's got it all figured out, even when he doesn't. He died, assumed it was one of his trusted people, I guess trusted me the least, and told you guys.

First, let me ask you this: When did he tell you that I was mafia?
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He told me before the last night phase via MSN first, then PM'd the other trusted people a few minutes later.
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I think all will be revealed soon enough, so I'll merely answer your questions.

The way you describe what I bring to light as "desperate" falls in line with all the other desperate grasps at straws I've seen in previous encounters of this sort beyond this particular round. Frankly, your so far flimsy attempts to deflect blame from yourself and question what I'm saying -- combined with accusations of desperation on my part for not only saying what Chris told me and connecting the murder weapon to you -- make you, not me, appear to be the desperate one.

Yes, I've met Chris, and while he does have an air of self-importance about him, if that's the right phrasing, he usually *does* have things figured out. Of course he acts like he does; and that would be because he does. There's nothing to read into from that. At any rate, that's a lot of circumstantial reasoning and assuming you're doing there, with little or no backing to it at all.

As for when...it's interesting how close these times are. All times Central Standard:

Chris sent me a PM around 1:25 this morning. I didn't get it until later this morning.
HJ updated at 1:33 AM CST -- eight minutes after Chris sent me his information.

He told me as early as a week or two prior to this, however, that he planned on investigating you.

I really don't know what you intend to use from that, but go ahead and try.


Holly: Show me how it's not flimsy logic. The burden of proof is obviously on you given that the bandwagon is speaking as we do. I admit that I personally have doubts, but I trust Chris and I don't see any reason not to do so as of right now.
Wirt
 
I conquered the world with nothing but diarrhea and depression.

Previously: Ron DeLite, Simon
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Fraulein Holls
Sep 14 2008, 06:16 PM
Some Kind Of Monster - Metallica

>> Metallica wub all of a sudden

Say, I know a member currently going by Ron DeLite who also loves Metallica, you two should totally hook up.
God of Thunder - KISS

rofl Chris
 
Chris says:
you know what
Chris says:
someone
Chris says:
once said to be
Chris says:
me*
Chris says:
when someone did
Chris says:
d(-_-)b
Chris says:
wtf, how'd they invert the b?
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Oct 6 2008, 10:32 PM
Yzarc tried to defend me therefore I'm mafia? That's . . . not the best logic I've ever heard.

Who said that was the reason?

Anyways, we've been getting raped by the mafia this time, and passing up a chance to kill two of them is too good to pass up. If we wuss out and not kill anyone, mafia wins.

EDIT: At least I think so, I have on idea how many mafia/cits/special roles are even dead. :Psyduck:
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I'm pretty sure there's one person left, after reading HJ's last kill thing.
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Simon, I'm not calling you desperate, rather, THR. He was dead, and in a last attempt, he wanted to pin his own death on someone. Of course he was suspicious of me - That's how mafia is played. But the dude didn't investigate me.

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The way you describe what I bring to light as "desperate" falls in line with all the other desperate grasps at straws I've seen in previous encounters of this sort beyond this particular round.

Everyone looks desperate when they defend themselves from lynching, because their life is on the line. It's easy to say "He's defending himself, he must be mafia" or, on the other hand, "He didn't even defend himself! He must be mafia!" It's a kill-kill scenario, to the point where you don't even look at reason.

It doesn't really matter what I say at this point. The bandwagon has spoken, and I am its next victim. No point in even denying I'm mafia anymore.
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Simon: Was I investigated? There is absolutely no concrete evidence of my mafianess (or, I suppose, lack thereof).

I also don't see how any of these clues could point to me. I could probably come up with a better defence, but it's one o clock in the morning and that makes me look guilty anyway, apparently. :Psyduck:
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Yzarc Drowsnam
Oct 6 2008, 06:38 PM
Simon, I'm not calling you desperate, rather, THR. He was dead, and in a last attempt, he wanted to pin his own death on someone. Of course he was suspicious of me - That's how mafia is played. But the dude didn't investigate me.

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The way you describe what I bring to light as "desperate" falls in line with all the other desperate grasps at straws I've seen in previous encounters of this sort beyond this particular round.

Everyone looks desperate when they defend themselves from lynching, because their life is on the line. It's easy to say "He's defending himself, he must be mafia" or, on the other hand, "He didn't even defend himself! He must be mafia!" It's a kill-kill scenario, to the point where you don't even look at reason.

It doesn't really matter what I say at this point. The bandwagon has spoken, and I am its next victim. No point in even denying I'm mafia anymore.

It IS understandable that you'd be desperate, I suppose. That doesn't make my portrayal of you as such any less truthful.

As for Chris...I don't see what purpose he would have for pinning someone in his own death. Even if he suspected a snitch, and even if he found you the least trustworthy...it still makes no sense that he would pin you. Unless, of course, he had reason -- STRONG reason -- to believe both. The first, of course, he did: he knew the Mafia knew who he was, that it was only a matter of time, and even that the Mafia would kill the Bodyguard first (which is, ironically, why he lived long enough to get you), to ensure his demise. So it's clear he knew there was a snitch. I can confirm this suspicion as well, because for a time he suspected that *I* was the traitor. With good reason, I suppose: a slew of people suspected me when I attempted to deflect blame from Crysta, who turned out to be a Mafiosa.

As for the second -- who the traitor was -- he had VERY strong evidence that you were the one, Yzarc. One piece of evidence in particular sticks out: a peculiar PM he received from HJ, as he did every night phase as a part of his duties. Why was this PM so peculiar? Because he had trusted the name he saw on it until he read the job description next to it. "Yzarc -- Mafia." ((paraphrased, of course))


You do realize that the "bandwagon" has all of three voters agreeing with it right now, correct? There's still time...or, at least, there was. There still is time, much time, to save your dear friends from the bandwagon's crushing condemnation.


In the meantime, I'm curious...why did you stand up for me early on? When I attempted to deflect blame from Crysta and caught fire for it, you got the bandwagon to stop its effigy hangings before they turned to a real one, which certainly would have resulted in a civilian casualty. Why, then, didn't you try and fuel it further, to get me killed? After all, it's safe to assume that you wouldn't have been suspicious; Sentenal sounded the war cry to snap my neck with a noose, not you, and following the bandwagon is apparently acceptable behavior; no one would have thought you Mafia. So...is there any reason why you didn't?



Holly: It's exactly as you say. There is no concrete evidence, either way, to suppress or fuel our suspicions. Thus, all we have to go on is what the Detective said...and he said it's you. And because the evidence says nothing either way, it's clear that you have no reliable means to defend yourself. In fact, I'd be calling for a double lynch if credible proof existed, because it would surely point to you as the Mafiosa you are.
Wirt
 
I conquered the world with nothing but diarrhea and depression.

Previously: Ron DeLite, Simon
Reaver for the lulz
 
Fraulein Holls
Sep 14 2008, 06:16 PM
Some Kind Of Monster - Metallica

>> Metallica wub all of a sudden

Say, I know a member currently going by Ron DeLite who also loves Metallica, you two should totally hook up.
God of Thunder - KISS

rofl Chris
 
Chris says:
you know what
Chris says:
someone
Chris says:
once said to be
Chris says:
me*
Chris says:
when someone did
Chris says:
d(-_-)b
Chris says:
wtf, how'd they invert the b?
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There is a light that never goes out...

Yzarc - 5 (Simon, Linoud,Tripz, Hollie, Sentenal)
Holly - 3 (Yuggles, Kratos, Yzarc)

I'm open to change my vote to something, or add another vote to Hollie (I'm the mayor, so I get 2 votes if I want), but what incriminates Hollie again? I can understand Yzarc, but Hollie is the one I have doubts on.
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The Detective told me (and others) that Holly was Mafia. What more do you need?
Wirt
 
I conquered the world with nothing but diarrhea and depression.

Previously: Ron DeLite, Simon
Reaver for the lulz
 
Fraulein Holls
Sep 14 2008, 06:16 PM
Some Kind Of Monster - Metallica

>> Metallica wub all of a sudden

Say, I know a member currently going by Ron DeLite who also loves Metallica, you two should totally hook up.
God of Thunder - KISS

rofl Chris
 
Chris says:
you know what
Chris says:
someone
Chris says:
once said to be
Chris says:
me*
Chris says:
when someone did
Chris says:
d(-_-)b
Chris says:
wtf, how'd they invert the b?
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There is a light that never goes out...

Did the detective tell you that he investigated Hollie?
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