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Agustrian War Room
Topic Started: Jun 23 2009, 03:23 PM (7,575 Views)
Phoenix Wright
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that moron that forgot this is s11

Manster isn't stupid enough to... That makes no sense at all. If Miletos is a large nation that's capable of destroying them, what happens when Miletos demands economic aid? You did nothing to refute the notion that Miletos allied with Manster for economic aid; you only further prove my point that Miletos can get the money from Manster, through threats if necessary. Then all the money we gave them for shiny weapons at a marginally lower price is turning right back and being used against us.

I'm not as much concerned with why Manster allied with Miletos as why Miletos allied with Manster. Sure, being friends with the merchants is nice... but is that really the entire reason? I don't think so. I know you guys better not buy my stuff from them, and I'll go to the Arena an extra time to pull in the funds necessary to buy them at full price.
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Fraulein Holls
Sep 14 2008, 06:16 PM
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>> Metallica wub all of a sudden

Say, I know a member currently going by Ron DeLite who also loves Metallica, you two should totally hook up.
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rofl Chris
 
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Miletos WOULDNT make threats such as those.
They'd become a target for all if theyre going to try and kill the merchant nation everyone's benefitting off of.

Miletos is indeed stupid enough to make an alliance like that.
For simple proof, look at the fact they paid 600 gold to move their units through Yied cuz OMG WE WANNA TAKE THE CAPITOL RIGHT NAO.
They simply wished for an ally and figured that Manster was a good choice.
They're right in that regard.

We're not going to make an exception for your weapons.
We buy from Manster, because it provides us with a discount.
It'd be stupid to think that a 1 in a million chance, if that, is worth NOT taking a 5% off for.

From the start, you've been overly paranoid and afraid to do ANYTHING, Simon.
You're overanalysing and it seems like all you really want us to is sit, wait, and be left behind.
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Jordan says:
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Weird as fuck, isnt he?
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BOOM! Headshot. :3

If they wanted gold they could just earn it in the arena themselves. The only reason someone would attack someone else is for territory, which no one is strong enough to take alone right now.

And if Miletos does threaten Manster we'll be there to defend them, since we are allies.

And, yes I'm pretty sure that's the only reason Miletos allied with Manster. Wirt's a good friend of ours, too, he wouldn't betray us.
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I think Miletos just wants the alliance to make them feel safer. They dont really intend on making Manster fund any of their battles, just the idea that safety is in numbers. Also they made it clear that they will not tolerate being dragged into battle against their allies or being attacked so Miletos cant do much to make them attack us.
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Also, when'd I get friends?
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Tiaro
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BOOM! Headshot. :3

If they wanted to feel safer wouldn't it make more sense to go with a bigger country? Like us or Verdane?
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Master was closer? *looks at map* I have no idea how the geography works i'm merely pitching ideas why they do the stuff the do. I don't know these people so sue me :thizz:
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You will never fall apart, Diana
You're still in our hearts
Never let you fall apart
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She looks good, but her boyfriend says she's a tramp
She's a tramp, she's a vamp
But she still does her dance
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Awards? How'd I win those?


Also, when'd I get friends?
Wirt
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BOOM! Headshot. :3

Okay.
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Kitty
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I'm just gonna stand in the corner and look pretty while you guys sort this out. *smiles*
Find your freedom in the music
Find your Jesus, find your kubrick
You will never fall apart, Diana
You're still in our hearts
Never let you fall apart
Together we'll dance in the dark

She looks good, but her boyfriend says she's a tramp
She's a tramp, she's a vamp
But she still does her dance
She's a tramp, she's a vamp
------------------------------------


Awards? How'd I win those?


Also, when'd I get friends?
Wirt
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BOOM! Headshot. :3

I think we'd all prefer sexy.
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*Takes off dress*
Find your freedom in the music
Find your Jesus, find your kubrick
You will never fall apart, Diana
You're still in our hearts
Never let you fall apart
Together we'll dance in the dark

She looks good, but her boyfriend says she's a tramp
She's a tramp, she's a vamp
But she still does her dance
She's a tramp, she's a vamp
------------------------------------


Awards? How'd I win those?


Also, when'd I get friends?
Wirt
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BOOM! Headshot. :3

Much better. :3
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From the start, you've been overly paranoid and afraid to do ANYTHING, Simon.
You're overanalysing and it seems like all you really want us to is sit, wait, and be left behind.

Say what? Overanalyzing maybe, and paranoid perhaps, but I certainly have not been pushing for you to sit, wait, and be left behind. What I have been pushing for you to do is pick battles that are actually going to benefit us. Until someone suggested dealing with Isaac if/when we move into Silesia, we weren't going to get much from a campaign in Yied. There's no reason we would have; we'd have little ability to respond to getting shorted because we're situated so far away from the site of war.

It's not that I've been pushing against action; I've been pushing for action in other areas that would seem to have greater benefit for us. I don't understand the hostility.
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Fraulein Holls
Sep 14 2008, 06:16 PM
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>> Metallica wub all of a sudden

Say, I know a member currently going by Ron DeLite who also loves Metallica, you two should totally hook up.
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rofl Chris
 
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Calm down, Simon (and Hakado). I think we're getting a little too srs bsns here.

Remember guys, this is an RPG, we're supposed to have fun. Let's not get riled up now.

That said, I really do think Miletos is stupid enough to pursue an alliance that doesn't benefit them. Which it doesn't, so far as I can see, now that Manster has opened the discount to everyone. Oh, it prevents Grandbell benefitting. For now.

Of course it's possible he wants to get through them to Isaac, but unlikely. I think Isaac are supporting them in the Grandbell-Miletos war?

That said, it is like Arden to be after the whole continent, or maybe all the keys. Not that he's going to get them, of course... but he can certainly try.

That might be why he went for the captiol, come to think of it - it was probably a bit late to change his mind when he found out that Laharl didn't *have* to use the key.

Oh, hang on... looking at the alliance topic...

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Miletos agrees to and also proposes the following:
-Free Trade within the boundaries of Bonus Experience, Bonus Weapon Exp, Items, Gold and anything that can be quantified, purchased or earned.
-Free and untaxed movement between grounds for military, commercial and civilian purposes.
-Military Aid
-A place to stay if all your land is lost
-A gift of one wife per city captured
-Miletos will not force your country into battles with the Thracian nation on thier soil. (But if they are hired by another country to battle us then that will be delt with as per norm, they are mercs)
-Miletos will purchase all our supplies via Manster.
-Mantser does not sell to one direct enemy of the country (at the moment Grandbell)
* If Miletos goes to war against one of Mansters allies, Manster will neither help nor hamper the battles.*
*Manster will send military aid even if Thracian units are hired by an enemy country for use against Miletos* (Like said before they belong to another country for all purposes due to being hired units.)


Wirt apparently agreed to this. Hmm. Simon could be right after all.

EDIT: I still don't think Manster will act against Agustria, or provide units vs. Grandbell (the whole Wirt-being-friends-with-Hakie-and-Tiaro thing), but it could have consequences in the future.

Could also be tricky if we go to war with Miletos. Hmm. Then again, we could probably force Arden into breaking off the alliance if that happens. He said something to that effect, I think.
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When I have to deal with rampant paranoia and overanalysed walls of text for EVERY SINGLE SUGGESTION, fun goes out the window pretty fast.
When you´re against a freaking free 5% discount, you know you´re looking into things WAY too much.

Yied's distance means nothing.
Grandbell cant afford to cut their alliance with us, because if they do, theyre dead.
Yied is reachable fine, and pulling out that root before it grow into another retarded country ala Miletos is still a good idea.

To Hollie:
No, Arden only went for the capitol because he's an idiot.
I've seen that confirmed by Kovu >_>

Military Aid is vague, and pretty much means nothing and is dodged easily if invoked.
And Wirt will dodge it, he's that kind of guy when he doesnt want to do things.

The second point strengthens my point, simply.
He wont help either way.
We're Manster's ally, and unless they could be directly forced (they effectively cant), they wont fight.

The Thracian Merc point is kind of irrelevant to this discussion.
It's simply a add-on that's good to prevent dispute.
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Jordan says:
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Yep, no idea why I bolded the Thracia thing. It made sense at the time.
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