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Agustrian War Room
Topic Started: Jun 23 2009, 03:23 PM (7,577 Views)
Hakado
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You DO realise we're in an alliance with Grandbell, dont you?
If we break that, we'll be in trouble with Verdane, and Grandbell will strike back whenever they can.

It would NOT help our international relationships to break an alliance so easily.

Orgahil and Silesia, perhaps, we can start by attacking them, but Grandbell has given us no reason to break off it's alliance, so doing so would make us a target for just about everyone.

Yied deserves to be punished for their shameless whoring.
However, we do not yet have the opinions of all of our members, so for now we should wait for them.
I still vote 'Aye' on going to war with Yied at this point.
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Phoenix Wright
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that moron that forgot this is s11

After some thought, I've come up with another idea. Given that we don't know Verdane's plan of action, attacking Grandbell immediately would indeed be folly. And you also seem open to moving into Silesia, or at least taking Madino for us so it lacks a base of operations on our section of the continent.

My thought, then, was that we have Silesia, Yied, and Agustria sign a three-way alliance. This brings Silesia into the conflict as an ally of Yied. Then, we withdraw from the alliance, claiming that Grandbell and Verdane pressured us into it, but wishing them well, some BS like that. And then we have another front -- Silesia -- where we can support the war effort while making a more appreciable gain than what we would get for going to Yied.

And I do believe you're trying to demonize Yied to the rest of the voters. ;>.>

I maintain my nay for now.
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Fraulein Holls
Sep 14 2008, 06:16 PM
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Hakado
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I am demonizing Yied because they're a bunch of idiots >_>

Have you read Ryoku's posts?
That combined with the stupid movement tax they've put on their land makes them more then a good target for swift destruction.

Right now we have little to gain from allying with Silesia or Yied.
Both countries are weak.

Now, so is Grandbell, but atleast Verdane has some strength to back itself up.
Now, besides that, there's the problem of location.
Our current allies form a buffer between us and anyone that wants to get to us.
This is GOOD.

I'm not willing to give up that big-ass barrier for no other reason then to start a war.
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Phoenix Wright
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that moron that forgot this is s11

That's the main reason I withdrew my idea to invade Grandbell -- it is indeed a great buffer zone.

I think you missed the point of what I was saying with the last one, though. The whole alliance we would propose with Silesia and Yied would be an elaborate lie. We make it so that Silesia joins Yied's side, and then we withdraw, as in we are no longer allies with Silesia or Yied, claiming pressure from Grandbell and Verdane (which would be believable) and acting like we are still on good terms with Silesia. Then we attack Silesia, claiming to be supporting the war effort by taking out one of Yied's allies.

Provided we can bring Silesia and Yied together, it's a perfect way to gain a lot more from this war than moving our armies halfway across the globe for likely no gain. If the leaders of the assault on Yied are even remotely intelligent, they'll know they can shaft us without penalty because we can't do anything to affect the outcome. We're not getting land from Yied. We're not getting an appreciable amount of gold from Yied, if we get any at all. The first rule of realpolitik is that you can only negotiate in areas you could take by force anyway, and while we'd have some troops there, if we -- nay, when we -- get shafted in the post-war spoils, we can't do a thing about it.

Meanwhile, invading Silesia will eliminate a means of support for Yied, which is just as good as attacking Yied itself. And then because we did all the work in Silesia and have all the troops there, we dictate who gets what, and the others can't do a thing about it.
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Fraulein Holls
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>> Metallica wub all of a sudden

Say, I know a member currently going by Ron DeLite who also loves Metallica, you two should totally hook up.
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Kitty
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but orgahil is full of danger. and pirates. and also the name kinda gives me the creeps. wow apperently i regress into childhood when i don't sleep. anyways i say make orgahil either a target and have someone close to us. someone in our alliance. Kill them and split their profits. OR! we could beg issac for a temp alliance while we gang on yied.with them dead we get to earn more gold and keep quiet and sping into attack later on.
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Phoenix Wright
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that moron that forgot this is s11

Orgahil isn't going to be an immediate target. Hell, if we invade Silesia, we'll wait to take it over before we even sneeze in Orgahil's direction. Those pirates are apparently too strong for us now... but by the time Silesia falls and Agustry becomes the strongest nation of this world, we will have ample strength.
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Fraulein Holls
Sep 14 2008, 06:16 PM
Some Kind Of Monster - Metallica

>> Metallica wub all of a sudden

Say, I know a member currently going by Ron DeLite who also loves Metallica, you two should totally hook up.
God of Thunder - KISS

rofl Chris
 
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Kitty
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What's sielisia again? are they "neutral" or actually neutral?
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Phoenix Wright
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that moron that forgot this is s11

Silesia is the country to our northeast. They are across that northern bay, mostly, but they have a city called Madino that borders us on our side of the bay. I've been campaigning to take Madino from Silesia, whether through negotiation or force, so they have to cross the bay to get to us.

EDIT: They might (and probably do) have secret alliances, but officially they are pro-Silesia and nothing else. No alliances, no enemies. I don't say "neutral" because a country's self-interests make it to where it cannot ever be truly neutral, but yes, it's as close to that definition as possible.
Edited by Phoenix Wright, Jul 13 2009, 02:39 PM.
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Fraulein Holls
Sep 14 2008, 06:16 PM
Some Kind Of Monster - Metallica

>> Metallica wub all of a sudden

Say, I know a member currently going by Ron DeLite who also loves Metallica, you two should totally hook up.
God of Thunder - KISS

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Kitty
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Hmm i think we should try and set up a trade. We can have Mardino and perhaps we give them something in return. You attract more flies with honey than with vinegar.
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Yes, but then you have less honey for yourself, to extend the analogy. Why trade for something you can easily take by force? Madino is rather isolated...in fact, Silesia in general is rather isolated. Roadwise there are very few connected cities. I need to look at the specifics of what that means, but I get the impression that makes it difficult to get reinforcements to Madino quickly.
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Sep 14 2008, 06:16 PM
Some Kind Of Monster - Metallica

>> Metallica wub all of a sudden

Say, I know a member currently going by Ron DeLite who also loves Metallica, you two should totally hook up.
God of Thunder - KISS

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Kitty
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But I really don't like the idea of outwardly being aggressive. It could end up like yied where people will think we're too battle hungry/
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Let me just say that I'd rather be on Yied's bad side than Thracia's.

Thracia is a mercenary nation, but they don't have much firepower right now. So, if we promise them support against Yied, we might gain some leverage/debt against them to use to our advantage.

Thracia only hires out to defenders, right? When/if we take Madino, we could use that to force them into neutrality. Grandbell will sit out if we ask them to, Yied won't be a problem if Thracia's campaign goes well, Isaac will probably sit out alongside Thracia if we help in this, which leaves only Manster, Miletos and Verdane to worry about. Honestly, I'm not sure what Verdane would do, but I think we could wrangle them in some sort of agreement to stay neutral. Manster would probably stay neutral whatever we did. Miletos... might help out Silesia since we're in an alliance with Grandbell, but I don't consider it too likely/dangerous.

With that in mind, I don't think we should follow Simon's strategy. A lot of people weren't happy about Yied's money-grubbing scheme posing as neutrality, so I think breaking off a treaty like that would put us in the bad books of the whole continent. Especially as Silesia appears to have been neutral so far; it wouldn't be too hard to piece together that we'd forced the peace agreement to a) give us some brownie points vs. Thracia/Isaac and b) further our own interests by engineering a war that benefits us.

Here's what I suggest:

We support Thracia and Isaac in their campaign against Yied. We allow them to retain complete control over Yied, but we get more gold/spoils in return. I think that would benefit us more now than some small control in Yied would. Alternatively, we could forgo the bigger material reward, and ask Isaac and Thracia not to act against Agustria during war instead. (The only problem I forsee here is that it might tip people off to us going for Silesia and/or other neighbours. I think Madino is a really obvious target.)

Basically, I think keeping our image as one of the good guys and gaining influence with Thracia and Isaac would benefit us more right now than anything else.

"Aye!" I say.
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Actually, going off of Holly's plan, we can make this work to further our goals in Silesia and Orgahil. We support Isaac against Yied in exchange for a later support against Silesia, since Isaac also borders Silesia.

The only thing is writing the terms of agreement without informing Silesia that we're going after them. My thought on this was that Isaac pays us some amount of gold in exchange for our support now... and then when we attack Silesia later, pay them the same amount of gold for support in Silesia. That way the actual deal -- that we helped them in Yied in exchange for help in Silesia -- won't be revealed until Silesia is attacked and after Yied is defeated, if it's even revealed at all. We'll look like mercenaries for a while, but that's OK; so does Thracia, and apparently they're the "good guys" as well.

This sound better than the other ideas? If we do this -- ensure we get an alliance with Isaac for both our targets, not an alliance against theirs and then have them not help us in return -- I vote "Aye" for attacking Yied.
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Fraulein Holls
Sep 14 2008, 06:16 PM
Some Kind Of Monster - Metallica

>> Metallica wub all of a sudden

Say, I know a member currently going by Ron DeLite who also loves Metallica, you two should totally hook up.
God of Thunder - KISS

rofl Chris
 
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Kitty
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Maybe we should think of some sort of aggreement with Silesia, but at the same time work on an army to take them down should they be too threatening. And the rest of the stuff. i.e attacking Poland Yied, sounds good. We should try for issac, they seem likely to return the favor if we attack yied with them and tharacia. but lets stay outta orgahil for now. First help out in yied, then we can take mardino :3

Oh and i desided that we're america in this situation. Kinda staying outta it until we have people to back us up in any venture. Just lets not vote Nixon and everything will be okey :3
Edited by Kitty, Jul 14 2009, 01:15 PM.
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Find your Jesus, find your kubrick
You will never fall apart, Diana
You're still in our hearts
Never let you fall apart
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But she still does her dance
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America? Stay out of the affairs of other nations?

...Well, we did, at one point, I guess. =P

So, provided we get Isaac support, that's four "Aye's," which is a majority. In fact, you guys could make me sad, not get Isaac support in Silesia, and override me with three "Aye's." I believe a consensus has been reached, although I would still like to get... Tiara's opinion. (God, it sounded weird saying Jordan's opinion. I'm sorry, dude, you're still Tiara to me.)
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Fraulein Holls
Sep 14 2008, 06:16 PM
Some Kind Of Monster - Metallica

>> Metallica wub all of a sudden

Say, I know a member currently going by Ron DeLite who also loves Metallica, you two should totally hook up.
God of Thunder - KISS

rofl Chris
 
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