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| Reaver | Nov 23 2009, 04:44 PM Post #16 |
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Dobbs' disdain for Fox's immigration policies isn't the issue here: it's the unprofessional distortion of the facts and falsely aligning the former Mexican president with a movement he never explicitly supported. Presenting a non-sequitur - as Fox's weak stance on preventing illegal immigration does not automatically make him a supporter of the reconquista - as fact is bad journalism, not to mention dishonest. Just because somebody supports an open border doesn't mean that they support a Mexican-takeover of the southwestern United States. See: Jason M. Appel (Source) and the Brookings Institute (Source). How you gleaned Dobbs said "SOME Mexican-Americans support the reconquista" is beyond me. Calling the movement "common", for one, implies much more than "some" and certainly insinuates the movement is more than a small radical movement. Bringing other groups into the mixture, such as any open border group, also makes me doubt that this is exactly what he said. i'm a retard and can't argue gud, so i suppose i must be wrong |
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| Soja | Nov 24 2009, 01:12 AM Post #17 |
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He didn't say that. Or rather, the correspondent didn't; she said it was surprisingly common. Not that they ALL supported the idea of reconquista.
Alright. Let's look back in time at the transcript you posted:
I guess English is beyond you now?
Again, it's surprisingly common, not "common" all its own. If there wasn't a difference, it wouldn't be said that way, would it? Much like you say scale matters, I say whole ideas matter, not just half the adjective phrase. One might think that it was just one random militant Latino here or there but the fact that there is a group supporting reconquista large enough to be able to purchase an ad on a billboard (fucking expensive) declaring Los Angeles part of Mexico is kind of surprising to me. ![]() Or it may have been graffiti'd onto the billboard, which I'd find more in line with those groups' behavior; I'd have to see a screenshot or a video of the ACTUAL report to be able to say so for sure. What I can say for sure is that you're reaching in this blithering attempt to paint Lou Dobbs as a klansman or something. I've only been using the transcript that YOU posted, after all. |
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| Reaver | Nov 24 2009, 10:53 PM Post #18 |
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So Dobbs says this once, then makes multiple statements pigeonholing anyone against heavy border security (El Presidente and open-border advocates, e.g.) throughout the segment. Making one right statement doesn't eliminate the fact he made multiple blunders such as misreporting the facts (El Presidente) and creating a straw-man argument ("a surprisingly common theme amongst open-border advocates" - but Appel and Brookings would disagree). Dobbs has no intention of making the point that radical groups supporting the reconquista exist; conversely, Dobbs supports fallacious statements and incorrectly associates various groups to the movement. I'm actually surprised he didn't bring up groups such as La Raza and instead chose to single out Vincente... [/b] The modifier surprisingly only diminishes the value of "common" by a small amount - if any. Although any sort of association to the reconquista being widespread spins the fact that the movement is an agenda put forward by small groups of radicals, so even "surprisingly common" is misleading. I'm not commenting on the billboard because I would also need to see a screenshot. Edited by Reaver, Nov 24 2009, 10:54 PM.
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