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Light Yagami
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I guess a lot of people just prefer to hold a controller than lay their hands on a keyboard. I know i also find it hard to want to stay at a desk even if the game I'm playing is hella fun. I play my consoles from my bed since my room isn't big enough for a chair or anything like that. Plus, sometimes it costs so much more to buy a gaming laptop/desktop than a console for what almost looks like the same graphics anyway. Don't get me wrong, I dot think so
e games should ever be on a system like WoW or diablo, but I prefer most games on the system.
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All of that basically tells me you know next to nothing about PC gaming. >_>

- you can use gamepads with PC games - pretty well any support the Xbox 360 controller natively
- you can plug a PC into a TV and use any wireless peripheral from the comfort of a couch, bed, etc.
- if you buy any laptop labelled as a gaming laptop, you're being severely ripped off
- if you buy any desktop labelled as a gaming desktop, you're being ripped off, but not to the extent as if it were a laptop... or, for the most part, any desktop that you aren't building yourself >_>
- PC gaming really isn't expensive, contrary to popular belief - you can build a PC that plays games much better than either of the HD twins for, probably 150$-200$ more than either cost... but when you consider no 50$/year for online, typically no nickeling and diming for DLC, no licensing fees on games (thus lower prices), it balances out in the long run... not to mention, all you really need is a dual-core CPU and an 80$ video card for better results than PS360, for the most part, which isn't expensive at all. PC gaming ultimately costs more to get in to, but is a lot cheaper in the long run.

yay >_>

EDIT: Granted, you can go nuts and build a compete powerhouse of a computer that costs several grand, and many do prefer to do that rather than mid-range stuff, but it's not like it's a requirement or anything.
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that's pretty hawt, i'm not gonna lie
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Dec 4 2009, 03:50 AM
All of that basically tells me you know next to nothing about PC gaming. >_>

- you can use gamepads with PC games - pretty well any support the Xbox 360 controller natively
- you can plug a PC into a TV and use any wireless peripheral from the comfort of a couch, bed, etc.
- if you buy any laptop labelled as a gaming laptop, you're being severely ripped off
- if you buy any desktop labelled as a gaming desktop, you're being ripped off, but not to the extent as if it were a laptop... or, for the most part, any desktop that you aren't building yourself >_>
- PC gaming really isn't expensive, contrary to popular belief - you can build a PC that plays games much better than either of the HD twins for, probably 150$-200$ more than either cost... but when you consider no 50$/year for online, typically no nickeling and diming for DLC, no licensing fees on games (thus lower prices), it balances out in the long run... not to mention, all you really need is a dual-core CPU and an 80$ video card for better results than PS360, for the most part, which isn't expensive at all. PC gaming ultimately costs more to get in to, but is a lot cheaper in the long run.

yay >_>

EDIT: Granted, you can go nuts and build a compete powerhouse of a computer that costs several grand, and many do prefer to do that rather than mid-range stuff, but it's not like it's a requirement or anything.
yeah but for a lot of people what is more important is what is cheaper to get into at the moment. From what I've heard, people sometimes need to update their graphics card from something like an invidia 8400 or whatever to like a 9600 or better to play games that are better than the games that came out when the 8400 was the hot thing.(notsure if those are the numbers, I'm just going off the top of my head). Like, if a game comes out 2 years ago and your card was good enough to play it and you still have that card now but you want to play a game that requires a 9600 or better, you'd have to update the card right? that's what turns me off to it. Plus, if I already have a laptop that doesn't have a good enough graphics card to play something like fallout 3, but I already have an xbox 360 that plays it right off the bat, why would I want to fork over 500+ bucks to get a decent/good desktop when I'll have to update it again to play upcoming games like Rage (which looks amazing btw)? I also never hear of an xbox being hacked or something like that but PCs are hacked like a mother fucker, regardless of how kick ass these firewalls are nowadays.
Also, HD monitors aren't exactly cheap in the first place either. Like, a 26" asus HD monitor sells for $329 while a 32" HD TV sells for $399 for a pretty good brand. I think I'd rather spend $300 on an xbox and $60 for the wireless adaptor, and $400 on an HDTV that I can also watch TV on and movies with friends and family, than on a $400-500 desktop and $329 an a good monitor. Plus, the Xbox comes with the $60 wireless controller that a PC does not come with. I havent heard of a good PC controller that sells for less than $40. Also, ofcourse a laptop would cost more for its portability and deffinitely cost more if it has a good grpahics card. Not only that, I hear its a bitch to change the graphics card in a laptop, if not, impossible to upgrade without losing memory, which you copuld back up on a $60+ protable hardrive. Yeah the XBOX DLC is like $15 dollars usually for a 1200 point upgrade or game, but that is like what you buy in purchases made throughout the year. Some aren't even 1200 points, some are 800, or 520, or even free. To me, a PC just seems like more to keep up with, but they are pretty impressive once you get them going with a good graphics card and processor. I'm sure there are more expenses on both parts but I'm just going off the top of my head and assuming the items and upgrades are purchased in-store at places like Frys or Best Buys.
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"yeah but for a lot of people what is more important is what is cheaper to get into at the moment. "
Of course.

"Like, if a game comes out 2 years ago and your card was good enough to play it and you still have that card now but you want to play a game that requires a 9600 or better, you'd have to update the card right?"
Not exactly, but it is true, what plays games at max today won't necessarily be able to do so a year from now.

"Plus, if I already have a laptop that doesn't have a good enough graphics card to play something like fallout 3, but I already have an xbox 360 that plays it right off the bat, why would I want to fork over 500+ bucks to get a decent/good desktop when I'll have to update it again to play upcoming games like Rage (which looks amazing btw)?"
Well... if you already have something, then obviously it's cheaper to use that than to buy something new.

I haven't seen the required specs for Rage, though, so I have no idea about it.

"Also, HD monitors aren't exactly cheap in the first place either."
The cheapest 720p monitor on Newegg is 110$.
The cheapest 1080p monitor on Newegg is 140$.

"Like, a 26" asus HD monitor sells for $329 while a 32" HD TV sells for $399 for a pretty good brand. "
Ha, that's the exact monitor of which I have two sitting in front of me. :P

But, the resolution on that thing's 1920x1200, where as a cheapo 400$ TV like that, I'd expect is only 720p, so you're also getting 40% of the screen resolution on that TV, which means things will look a shitton less detailed, and picture quality will be a lot worse as well.

And of course, computers use HDMI as well, so you can just as easily plug a comp into any HDTV.

"Plus, the Xbox comes with the $60 wireless controller that a PC does not come with."
No, but the Xbox doesn't come with the free online, cheaper games, and all the applications and other things you need a computer for.

It's cheaper to spend 450-600$ on a computer than it is to spend a bit less on a computer than then buy a 300$ 360.

Also, wired 360 controller goes for 35$ on Newegg, or for a non-m$ one, 20$.

"Also, ofcourse a laptop would cost more for its portability and deffinitely cost more if it has a good grpahics card."
Yup. Gaming laptops are lulzy.

Though, it's worth noting I guess that there isn't such a thing as a portable 360 or PS3, where as you can get a laptop for under a grand still that plays games better than they do... which I guess isn't terrible.

"Not only that, I hear its a bitch to change the graphics card in a laptop,"
Yeah, you generally have to completely take them apart.

"Yeah the XBOX DLC is like $15 dollars usually for a 1200 point upgrade or game, but that is like what you buy in purchases made throughout the year."
Or, you get the maps for free in the PC version. Not to mention, you have community-made mods, and maps, and so on, which are all free as well.

"To me, a PC just seems like more to keep up with"
Ease of use is a benefit to consoles, there's no denying that. But it also comes with a price premium, and, due to the nature of the platform, being locked in with severely outdated tech for many many many years.

"I'm sure there are more expenses on both parts but I'm just going off the top of my head and assuming the items and upgrades are purchased in-store at places like Frys or Best Buys."
Why the fuck would you shop at Worst Buy in the first place? >_>
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Mike Hunt
Dec 4 2009, 04:55 AM


"I'm sure there are more expenses on both parts but I'm just going off the top of my head and assuming the items and upgrades are purchased in-store at places like Frys or Best Buys."
Why the fuck would you shop at Worst Buy in the first place? >_>
Well on the last part, I was just assuming that most people shop at those chain stores. I use Amazon for a lot of things like game but never for actual hardware since they wont' fit in my mail box and I sleep during the day...so then I'll have to go out of my way to go get the order I missed while I was sleeping. Atleast thats what ahppens with me.

Oh and Rage looks amazing. I't sgonna use the new Unreal engine and OMG it looks so sexy. Its the reason why Gears of War 3 is being puched back, so that they can use the new engine on it. By the way it looks, I know it'll require a lot of work.

and and I got a 1080p 32" for $400. I love it, But I still need to get a PS3, since I want to get a blu-ray player anyway, so I figure why not

I'm not knocking PC gaming, but it does seem a lot easier to just jump into, atleast I know it is for me, and I would have to risk losing everything on my laptop to upgrade the graphics card, so that sucks :(
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You would have to be crazy to try and use a laptop for PC gaming.

Sure, you can buy a part that is good now, and somewhere down the road, a new game that would come out might require a new one. But how is that any different from a new console coming out, and you having to buy that? I mean, essentially, its the same thing. New consoles are hardware upgrades. And I'm pretty sure buying a new video card is cheaper than buying expensive consoles.

I held onto my old PC for 5 years. I only had to upgrade some parts like... Only a few times, and they were minor things like a DVD burner, and secondary harddrive. And it was able to play most games for all that time, until recently when it was getting outdated. My new PC will probably last me at least that long as well.

Then there is another advantage for PC gaming. PS3 and Wii games aren't compatible on the Xbox 360, and visa versa. If you want to be able to play every console game on the market, you would have to buy a PS3, Xbox, and a Wii. There is no such thing about that with the PC market, since games exclusively for Macs don't exist.

So that would be what, $300 for a xbox, another $300 for a PS3, and like $200 for a Wii? I'm not sure what their prices are exactly, but its probably something around that. And you can get a PC able to play MOST games for that price.

You can spend like $5 and get a USB converter for console controllers. Controllers are cheap to use on PC.

And as said, you can hook a computer up to an HDTV if you want.

If you can use a PC to operate the internet, and be able to open programs like Word, you are able to figure out PC games. I mean, I don't know why you think PC gaming is all that complicated.
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Yah but a system can also last for a long time. The xbox 360 came out like in 05 or 06 and they don't plan on releasing a new system anytime soon.nyou wouldn't need to upgrade anything on it to play the newest games while you would on a pc. As for non exclusive games, there are hella games that are system only but are not available on the pc unless you obtain them illigaly, which I don't really do. I'm not exactly sure what goes into pc gaming but I'm sure updating things over a five year span can add up to 300 bucks, especially if you're looking to play the newest games with ease. Like, is processor used heavily in pc gaming. I'm not sure what the average processor was in 06 but I think the average now is like 2.4 ghz.... Not sure bundont you sometimes need a better processor to play the newest games, especially graphically blessed beasts like the upcoming Rage game. I'm also sure later games like Gears 3, Mass Effect 2 will need some serious hardware. There are other expense that go into maintaining your computer, like firewalls, program updates, new OSs. And stuff like that but I don't think they count since that's stuff you really need
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"Yah but a system can also last for a long time. The xbox 360 came out like in 05 or 06 and they don't plan on releasing a new system anytime soon.nyou wouldn't need to upgrade anything on it to play the newest games while you would on a pc."
That also means you're consequently stuck with severely outdated hardware until they release a new one. At least with PC gaming you have the freedom to upgrade when you want, not when m$ wants you to.

"As for non exclusive games, there are hella games that are system only but are not available on the pc unless you obtain them illigaly, which I don't really do."
There are also tons of PC exclusive games.

"I'm not exactly sure what goes into pc gaming but I'm sure updating things over a five year span can add up to 300 bucks, especially if you're looking to play the newest games with ease."
Not necessarily.

"Like, is processor used heavily in pc gaming. I'm not sure what the average processor was in 06 but I think the average now is like 2.4 ghz...."
You can get 3 GHz dual-cores for like 75$ or so. There are also sub-100$ tri-core and quad-core CPUs as well that have good clock speeds.

"Not sure bundont you sometimes need a better processor to play the newest games, especially graphically blessed beasts like the upcoming Rage game. I'm also sure later games like Gears 3, Mass Effect 2 will need some serious hardware."
If it runs on a 360, it'll run better on a few-year-old computer, unless it's an absolutely shitty port like GTAIV.

"There are other expense that go into maintaining your computer, like firewalls, program updates, new OSs. And stuff like that but I don't think they count since that's stuff you really need"
Pretty well anything updates itself. It'll tell you when there's an update, and you press ok. It really isn't complicated. >_>
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Consoles generally are "alive" for 4-5 years. Thats how long my last computer lasted.

You would need to completely buy a new console to play a game on a new console, which essentially means that it required a hardware upgrade.

Microsofts "Games for Windows" pretty much means that every major Xbox 360 game is released for Windows.

I mean, honestly I think you don't really know what you are talking about, so I'll stop here. You don't have to constantly update your computer to play new games. You act like you would have to do so every time a new game comes out. And that is FALSE. You don't own a gaming PC, so how do you know anything about the costs assoicated with it?
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I never said that you need to constantly update your hardware but it is true that you sometimes do. I havent seen a computer that can handle games like Gears 2 or better that costs less than 450 bucks or more. And it is true that a system can last fairly long and MS doesn't plan on releasing a new system for quite some time, if anything they just plan on making upgrades or addons like that motion thingy they're coming out with. I've also never seen local multiplayer on a PC either. And tpyically, the big name MS games that are also released on the PC are FPS like Halo and Gears but I don't recall ever seeing games like Fable 2 or Tales of Vesperia or even games like Brutal Legend or SC4. Being able to play games like those seems more apealing to me than playing PC exclusive games or PC versions of Microsoft games. Plus, if you ask on here what games you could play without needing a bad ass Video card, everyone always points out the same games, mostly Starcraft.
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I have L4D2. Live Tag = sfc2010. I'll be on sometime this weekend.
Is that your xbox live gamertag?
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I can't believe you guys actually counted Light's massive blocks of text.

I actually played this, btw. It may have been because I played on Dead Center (which I heard was awful), but it was rly rly boring compared to L4D1.
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