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Health Care
Topic Started: Mar 21 2010, 11:03 PM (1,785 Views)
Soja˛
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Wikipedia is my favorite site on the Internet.

I'd rather read the whole bill itself, but it's like a 12,000 page monstrosity. That is a LOT of legalese to hide bullshit in. And they're not even done. They're still on about using reconciliation in order to avoid filibusters in the Senate. Goddamn you, Reid.

And NO, Sety. You CAN'T compare automobile insurance to health insurance. That would be like comparing automobile to homeowner's insurance, or either to life insurance, except that you won't be around to regret the latter.

Insurance itself is a legitimized scam. 9/10 times, nothing's going to happen. The insurance company knows this, and it feeds on the paranoia of woulds and coulds. What you're doing is basically paying a protection fee to some firm that says it will help you if something bad which they're supposedly shielding you from happens. In the end, you end up coughing up more money to the company than you end up using. When the company DOES owe you a claim, it takes months or even years, and sometimes legal battles, just to get your due. That's why I'd rather go without insurance on anything except on the largest investments, like automobiles and housing; the first because it's legally obligated, the second because the risk vs. reward is worth it and it would really suck to lose $200,000+ to a freak flood or lightning strike.

There might be a day when I get very sick, but until that day comes, I won't worry about it. That's like being worried that I'm going to die. It's going to happen, as inevitably as the turning of the tide, but no one knows the hour of his calling. So Not gonna worry. Despite my above-average weight I have a good heart rate, low blood pressure, and what asthma I used to have I seem to have outgrown. Same with allergies; I'm surprised I haven't had a single problem so far, considering the season.

In reality, the whole system is broken. You can count me among those who wouldn't shed a tear if all insurance groups just fell into a hole tomorrow. Medicine wouldn't die, either. There will always be a demand for medical care. The problem with the system IS the goddamned insurance groups. If medicine were more based on competition, with doctors and nurses going where they are needed most and competing with each other for patients, then we would see both an increase in quality and a decrease in price. As it is now, doctors and medical professionals get paid one way or another, so they can charge however the fuck much they want. The insurance companies get to foot this bill, they then pass on the charges to the consumers.

I sure as hell don't want to be paying for anyone else's medicine, or anyone else's anything for that matter. That money is better spent on myself, my family, and anyone else I feel like helping should I have the capacity to.
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"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants. It is the creed of slaves."
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23:59:33 [Ashavant] ...ugh. ewan died. Coin, is he worth saving?
23:59:40 ( Ashavant flips a coin => Fail )
23:59:48 [Ashavant] But his sister will still do me right
23:59:51 ( Ashavant flips a coin => Pass )
23:59:54 [Ashavant] Sweet.
23:59:56 Arthur_Collins enters this room
23:59:57 Ashavant keeps going.
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AdamNW
Mar 22 2010, 07:55 PM
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Mar 22 2010, 01:46 AM
AdamNW
Mar 22 2010, 01:32 AM
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You are saying that you can't get Health Insurance to cover stuff

Considering it's actually happened to my family and friends on multiple occasions, yes, that is exactly what I'm saying.

Health Care companies will deny you coverage for the most arbitrary reasons. I'd prefer paying for something I can actually use, thank you.
Wow you are stupid. Because of something that "happened" to your family, you say it is impossible to get coverage.
I didn't say it was impossible to get coverage. I said it was hard.

@Soja: I don't see how bringing up Car Insurance is a stupid argument, because the exact same situations apply. "I don't need it because I'm perfectly healthy/a good driver." The fact is, you can still get dangerously sick or get in a car accident, and what would happen if you were uninsured? Unless it's going to bankrupt you, I don't see the issue.
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American Health Care is so corrupt that getting coverage on damn near anything is pretty rare.
lol

You are saying that it is rare to get coverage for anything. That means you are pretty much saying its impossible to get coverage. Not only is this claim retarded, but you are only basing it off of your family not being able to get coverage or something.

Also, your comment about Car Insurance further proves you have no clue what you are talking about. You are only required by law to have Liability Insurance, which is just to cover the other guy. There is no equivalent to that with Health Insurance.
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AdamNW
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You are saying that it is rare to get coverage for anything. That means you are pretty much saying its impossible to get coverage.

That's not at all what I'm saying. People who are perfectly healthy before getting sick will get coverage. Good to know you're covered, Sent.

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Not only is this claim retarded, but you are only basing it off of your family not being able to get coverage or something.

My family got the pre-existing condition bullshit that 90% of the rest of the insured population got. It's fun to die of cancer because you had diabetes, amirite? :kermit:

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I sure as hell don't want to be paying for anyone else's medicine, or anyone else's anything for that matter. That money is better spent on myself, my family, and anyone else I feel like helping should I have the capacity to.

Quoting Othin:
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By that logic, every other public service should be shut down. You may as well say that if your house is burning down, you do not have the right to have your fire put out on someone else's dime, or that if your child is kidnapped, you do not have the right to have the police locate them on someone else's dime.

Conservatives have lost their understanding of basic human rights.
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Bosceon
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I don't want to have health insurance until I have a family, or find for some reason that I actually need it. Honestly, when I'm in my twenties and thirties there isn't much reason for me to have health insurance is there? Perhaps if I live in my parents basement they will just consider me 25 or 26 or whatever that cut-off age is. :hmm:
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Soja˛
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Does Othin understand the meaning of volunteer fire department? We have one in our "backwater town," and so has every place with a sizable population since the beginning of ever, even if it wasn't officially named or recognized. There are always people out there willing to help. Being forced to "help" is an insult, on top of the fact that it probably won't help much at all. Have any of you naive children been to a housing project, might I ask? That's a government "service," and I'd rather be homeless, to be frank. The conditions of the developments are terrible, on top of the fact that crime rates are damn near intolerable and it's a cesspool of human existence because damn near everyone who lives there has given up and grown complacent to betterment.

That's what government "services" do. If you're dependent on something or someone, you are not truly free. And while there is no way to be truly "free" in the purest sense, you can damn well be more free than most.

I am a strong believer in education, so I support that. Public education, however, is shit. It only dawned on me that most of the things I know is because I took it upon myself to learn outside of the classroom. Rote worksheets and bookwork sure as hell didn't teach me about history. I am a strong believer in law enforcement, because the lazy fucks who DON'T want to earn their way will try to take it from someone who has. Freedom is the most basic of all human rights and should be sacred above the rest. Don't preach to ME about basic human rights when you support a measure that wants to turn everyone into wards of the State.
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"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants. It is the creed of slaves."
—William Pitt; November 18, 1783
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23:59:33 [Ashavant] ...ugh. ewan died. Coin, is he worth saving?
23:59:40 ( Ashavant flips a coin => Fail )
23:59:48 [Ashavant] But his sister will still do me right
23:59:51 ( Ashavant flips a coin => Pass )
23:59:54 [Ashavant] Sweet.
23:59:56 Arthur_Collins enters this room
23:59:57 Ashavant keeps going.
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AdamNW
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Would you prefer just not having a Government, Soja? That's the only way you're going to have real freedom.
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Sora
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God... this is just getting out of hand. Are the polititions that stupid. Most heath care providers force you to get a specific doctor, instead of letting you chose the one that you want, there by limiting compitition between doctors for there patients. Thats a limit to the rights of humanity to chose.
just so everyone knows, when I rant or I'm mad or I'm happy I curse. Sorry if anyone is offended. though no one tends to give a shit here...

Here are a few small sites I'm on that need help:
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Soja˛
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Mar 22 2010, 09:34 PM
Would you prefer just not having a Government, Soja? That's the only way you're going to have real freedom.
You know, I wouldn't have considered myself an anarchist, but I'm definitely leaning that way recently. Unfortunately, you know what happens if you let everyone do whatever they want, so there has to be some measure of control. What happened here was the government going rogue, though. Even Commie News Network's polls consistently showed more people in disapproval of the plan than approval, and when that happens, you know something's up.

What happened here was a break with the Congress' purpose as a representative democracy. It's as much about how the deal was made as it is about what it is.

Edit: @Sora: That's how insurance companies control their costs and clients. You think the government is going to act any differently? Their budget is going to be even more out of control, if present trends are any indication.
Edited by Soja˛, Mar 22 2010, 09:38 PM.
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"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants. It is the creed of slaves."
—William Pitt; November 18, 1783
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23:59:33 [Ashavant] ...ugh. ewan died. Coin, is he worth saving?
23:59:40 ( Ashavant flips a coin => Fail )
23:59:48 [Ashavant] But his sister will still do me right
23:59:51 ( Ashavant flips a coin => Pass )
23:59:54 [Ashavant] Sweet.
23:59:56 Arthur_Collins enters this room
23:59:57 Ashavant keeps going.
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Kazyen
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>___>
there's nothing you guys can do about it anyway so you might as well just wait it out, it's probably not gonna be as bad as you guys are making it out to be
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Soja˛
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Mar 22 2010, 09:39 PM
>___>
there's nothing you guys can do about it anyway so you might as well just wait it out, it's probably not gonna be as bad as you guys are making it out to be
No. We can. It's called election day. Every pissant with a D on the end of his name is going OUT.

*Picks up newspaper* Thank you, The Tennesseean, for listing my targets. Steve Cohen, Jim Cooper, and Bart Gordon were all "aye"s. I don't know what the fuck Jim Cooper was thinking considering that both Wilson and Williamson Counties, his constituents in other words, were strongly against the measure. Fuck you, Jim Cooper!

In fact, I think I'm going to go tear up the certificate I received from his office at my graduation now.
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"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants. It is the creed of slaves."
—William Pitt; November 18, 1783
Quote:
 
23:59:33 [Ashavant] ...ugh. ewan died. Coin, is he worth saving?
23:59:40 ( Ashavant flips a coin => Fail )
23:59:48 [Ashavant] But his sister will still do me right
23:59:51 ( Ashavant flips a coin => Pass )
23:59:54 [Ashavant] Sweet.
23:59:56 Arthur_Collins enters this room
23:59:57 Ashavant keeps going.
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Sora
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Insurance companies are unconstitutional. Nuff said.
just so everyone knows, when I rant or I'm mad or I'm happy I curse. Sorry if anyone is offended. though no one tends to give a shit here...

Here are a few small sites I'm on that need help:
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Even Commie News Network's polls consistently showed more people in disapproval of the plan than approval, and when that happens, you know something's up.

What happened here was a break with the Congress' purpose as a representative democracy.


Nah, you guys can't really play this card.

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CHENEY: So?

RADDATZ: So? You don’t care what the American people think?

CHENEY: No. I think you cannot be blown off course by the fluctuations in the public opinion polls.
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The insurance companies aren't entities of the government, so they can't be unconstitutional. Even then, the insurance lobby in Washington is grotesquely powerful.
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"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants. It is the creed of slaves."
—William Pitt; November 18, 1783
Quote:
 
23:59:33 [Ashavant] ...ugh. ewan died. Coin, is he worth saving?
23:59:40 ( Ashavant flips a coin => Fail )
23:59:48 [Ashavant] But his sister will still do me right
23:59:51 ( Ashavant flips a coin => Pass )
23:59:54 [Ashavant] Sweet.
23:59:56 Arthur_Collins enters this room
23:59:57 Ashavant keeps going.
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Inui
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You call yourself moderate, Ivan? Uh...

Anyways, did you guys know that health insurance is a business, and so is health care in general? There's no God-given right to either.
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Sora
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Its Health Insurance thats the issue.
just so everyone knows, when I rant or I'm mad or I'm happy I curse. Sorry if anyone is offended. though no one tends to give a shit here...

Here are a few small sites I'm on that need help:
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