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Topic Started: Mar 21 2010, 11:03 PM (1,784 Views)
Soja²
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I am moderate. I believe in gay rights, some access to abortion, increased funding for education, anti-death penalty, so on so forth. I don't support the Republicans 100% of the time, either. If I had to estimate how much I support either party, it's R/D:70%/30%
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"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants. It is the creed of slaves."
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23:59:33 [Ashavant] ...ugh. ewan died. Coin, is he worth saving?
23:59:40 ( Ashavant flips a coin => Fail )
23:59:48 [Ashavant] But his sister will still do me right
23:59:51 ( Ashavant flips a coin => Pass )
23:59:54 [Ashavant] Sweet.
23:59:56 Arthur_Collins enters this room
23:59:57 Ashavant keeps going.
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AdamNW
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Anyways, did you guys know that health insurance is a business, and so is health care in general? There's no God-given right to either.

Othin was talking about how everyone has the right to good health.
Edited by AdamNW, Mar 22 2010, 09:49 PM.
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I'm beginning to think Lucas just can't compute moderates.

Soja would probably get eaten by the GOP if he actually ran himself.
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I always give frying pans to female survivors in Dead Rising. It's really the only thing I'm confident they know how to use.
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Mar 22 2010, 09:48 PM
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Anyways, did you guys know that health insurance is a business, and so is health care in general? There's no God-given right to either.

First of all, Separation of Church and State exists for a reason. That clearly didn't have any bearing on the rest of your statement, but if you want to argue that, feel free.

Othin was talking about how everyone has the right to good health.
It exists so that Church and State don't corrupt one another. We can see what that does just by looking at the Arabic nations.

Try telling someone born with cerebral palsy that they have the right to good health.
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"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants. It is the creed of slaves."
—William Pitt; November 18, 1783
Quote:
 
23:59:33 [Ashavant] ...ugh. ewan died. Coin, is he worth saving?
23:59:40 ( Ashavant flips a coin => Fail )
23:59:48 [Ashavant] But his sister will still do me right
23:59:51 ( Ashavant flips a coin => Pass )
23:59:54 [Ashavant] Sweet.
23:59:56 Arthur_Collins enters this room
23:59:57 Ashavant keeps going.
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AdamNW
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@Soja: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerebal_palsy#Treatment

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Treatment may include one or more of the following: physical therapy; occupational therapy; speech therapy; drugs to control seizures, alleviate pain, or relax muscle spasms (e.g. benzodiazepienes, baclofen and intrathecal phenol/baclofen); hyperbaric oxygen; the use of Botox to relax contracting muscles; surgery to correct anatomical abnormalities or release tight muscles; braces and other orthotic devices; rolling walkers; and communication aids such as computers with attached voice synthesizers.

You wouldn't be covered for that in the current system because it's a pre-existing condition.
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AdamNW
Mar 22 2010, 09:17 PM
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You are saying that it is rare to get coverage for anything. That means you are pretty much saying its impossible to get coverage.

That's not at all what I'm saying. People who are perfectly healthy before getting sick will get coverage. Good to know you're covered, Sent.

Read what you fucking wrote, you said it was "rare" for "anyone" to get covered for "anything"

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Not only is this claim retarded, but you are only basing it off of your family not being able to get coverage or something.

My family got the pre-existing condition bullshit that 90% of the rest of the insured population got. It's fun to die of cancer because you had diabetes, amirite? :kermit:

Cool story bro. Do you understand the concept behind "insurance"?

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I sure as hell don't want to be paying for anyone else's medicine, or anyone else's anything for that matter. That money is better spent on myself, my family, and anyone else I feel like helping should I have the capacity to.

Quoting Othin:
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By that logic, every other public service should be shut down. You may as well say that if your house is burning down, you do not have the right to have your fire put out on someone else's dime, or that if your child is kidnapped, you do not have the right to have the police locate them on someone else's dime.

Conservatives have lost their understanding of basic human rights.

What a retarded quote. But then again, its Othin.
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Mar 22 2010, 09:54 PM
In the current system, they don't, because it's a pre-existing condition :psyduk:
Can't you read? Our government's own Medicare rejects more people based on stipulations like that. Don't take my word for it, you can read the American Medical Association's report yourself.

I hope you don't believe that insurance companies reject EVERYONE who has a pre-existing condition. It varies from company to company and they evaluate individual cases before giving quotes. It's called competition. The competition needs to be at the provider level, though, and it's not right now.
Edited by Soja², Mar 22 2010, 10:04 PM.
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"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants. It is the creed of slaves."
—William Pitt; November 18, 1783
Quote:
 
23:59:33 [Ashavant] ...ugh. ewan died. Coin, is he worth saving?
23:59:40 ( Ashavant flips a coin => Fail )
23:59:48 [Ashavant] But his sister will still do me right
23:59:51 ( Ashavant flips a coin => Pass )
23:59:54 [Ashavant] Sweet.
23:59:56 Arthur_Collins enters this room
23:59:57 Ashavant keeps going.
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First of all, learn the word "Exaggeration." I already explained how people actually get covered, and that it's possible.

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Do you understand the concept behind "insurance"?

If I have insurance, and get cancer five years from now, I should be able to get coverage for cancer treatment.

@Soja: I remember reading somewhere that the reform would make it so insurance couldn't be denied unless there was suspicion of fraud. I may be thinking of a different bill though.
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Last time I checked Medicare isn't the only player.

And ahead by 0.05%. Remind me to avoid Aetna.
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GODonPCP
 
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Mar 22 2010, 10:03 PM
Last time I checked Medicare isn't the only player.

And ahead by 0.05%. Remind me to avoid Aetna.
Medicare is the only government player, that being the point. The Democrats and their Chosen One were up there crying about how Susie got rejected by the big bad insurance companies because she had asthma when their own establishment is better at that game, and for people who need it more at that. Most of Medicare's clients are the sick and elderly, which is why the program is imploding on itself.

Oh Humana is just as bad if not worse.
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"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants. It is the creed of slaves."
—William Pitt; November 18, 1783
Quote:
 
23:59:33 [Ashavant] ...ugh. ewan died. Coin, is he worth saving?
23:59:40 ( Ashavant flips a coin => Fail )
23:59:48 [Ashavant] But his sister will still do me right
23:59:51 ( Ashavant flips a coin => Pass )
23:59:54 [Ashavant] Sweet.
23:59:56 Arthur_Collins enters this room
23:59:57 Ashavant keeps going.
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Shouldn't this theoretically prevent Medicare from continuing to do that, as well?

Or are commie-run health systems exempt somewhere in this bill?
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GODonPCP
 
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@Sety: Then that will take away the insurance companies' right to select their clientele and those that remain will end up paying even HIGHER premiums because they're now force-saddled with liabilities. I have no doubt that they would accept everyone by choice because, hehey, more money, right? But there is that one little quid pro quo about having to pay for someone's care when they actually need it, and when that happens, they will try and offset the costs somehow.

Or fold. Then the government gets even MORE wards, doesn't it? Or they then get fined, and fuck to that.
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"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants. It is the creed of slaves."
—William Pitt; November 18, 1783
Quote:
 
23:59:33 [Ashavant] ...ugh. ewan died. Coin, is he worth saving?
23:59:40 ( Ashavant flips a coin => Fail )
23:59:48 [Ashavant] But his sister will still do me right
23:59:51 ( Ashavant flips a coin => Pass )
23:59:54 [Ashavant] Sweet.
23:59:56 Arthur_Collins enters this room
23:59:57 Ashavant keeps going.
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Askio
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I feel proud having tore us apart, being the one who first mentioned it.


anyhow, I think what Crysta posted from Cheney is one of the few things he said I agree with. the American people don't always know the whole issue. Unfortunately, he abused that a bit much.

Anyways, this leads to an increase in privatization, so I don't see what government coverage has to do with it. Sure, more would go on Medicare perhaps, but that's only in rare circumstances. You're looking at the bark on the tree, not the whole forest.
On the up and up, this actually just sets guidelines that are universal for all insurance companies, instead of them doing as they please.
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@Soja: Gay marriage is the only thing I'm not conservative on. Abortions in cases of rape, incest, and high risk to the mother are generally cool with conservatives, so that's not abnormal at all. 70/30 makes you conservative for sure. 60/40 or less is moderate. 70/30 is like...a horrible match-up in a fighting game, not a moderate one.

@Sentenal: Stop flaming so much. >_>;
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