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Jivdom seeks advice; Jivdom seeks advice from the GRA Union
Topic Started: Oct 5 2005, 08:21 PM (182 Views)
Jivdom
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Jivdom would like to seek the advice of the GRA Union regarding the current strife with Carnalian we want a peaceful outcome but we can't just forget about the deaths of two of our citizens... Any advice would be much appreciated
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Jivdom
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A summary of the situation:-
terrorists attacked carnalian, 2 of these terrorists are citizens of Jivdom, Jivdom denies its involvment and assures all that the terrorists were not acting on Jivdoms orders, Carnalian Mentioned its intention to execute the terrorists including the two who were Jivdoms citizens, Jivdom made it clear it was against this and asked that the two terrorists holding Jivdoms citizenship be returned to us, Carnalian refused to hand over the terrorist, other nations gave they opinions of the matter, Jivdom Agreed these people could face punishment in Carnalian after they stood trial which involved 2 of Jivdoms judges and 2 of Carnalians judges (after greenpeace suggested it) without any word about of any trial Carnalian executed two of Jivdoms citizens so Jivdom began a boycott of all Carnalian products (which was supported by other nations). Carnalian later said that the two supposed terrorist had a trial but how do we know it was a fair trial, or if there was even any sort of trial?
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fighter4u
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Jviom get a life.Their dead now.What done is done.If you care baout your people.You wouldn't had start a war in the first place...
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Old Zertaxia
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Thats rather rude.

Well, anyway, Jivdom, I suppose the GRAU could consider the matter, but I can't speak for all the nations here, so, you'll have to wait until we have some sort of meeting...
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fighter4u
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OZ I known i known.But he been at my back with humans right issues and everything.I feel like lining up ramdom people and shooting them and mailing their bodys to jviom:P
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Jen O the Hill
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I agree that we need to have a discussion on this matter. I agree with the concerns over a fair trial. That is my main concern also.
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fighter4u
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JOH if I was you.I get ready for a great war.If you had ever been in one before.It will be noting like the next one that will come down on you if you do not withdawn your postion about my nation.Disarm now and you have my words and the lifes of my son and daughter in your hand to make me obey my words..
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Mesatecala
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Carnalian has taken an appropriate approach. If our nation was under siege by rebels, we would kill ten thousand of them if we have to, even if they are your citizens, Jivdom. In Mesatecala, the securities act allows the government to issue immediate executions against terrorists. There should be a zero-tolerance policy taken.
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Fighter4u, have you not had enough bloodshed in your own nation to last a lifetime? Finding a peaceful solution is the best way. I will not disarm. The entire reason that the military has begun its expansion is to protect my borders from Barbaric Warlords like yourself. I can assure you that any independent action I take will only be in defense of my nation and its people. Keep your bloodlust to yourself and their will be no war between us. If you will remember, even during the attrocities that you inflicted on your own people, not once did I send the first military unit. That hasn't changed. But I do warn you. Violate my borders and you will face the wrath of a woman scorned!
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fighter4u
Oct 5 2005, 09:53 PM
Jviom get a life.Their dead now.What done is done.If you care baout your people.You wouldn't had start a war in the first place...

II am already expressed my intention not to let this developed into a war many times, But just forget the death of my people? Maybe you don't care about your citizens but in my mind a government is in place FOR THE BENIFIT of ALL its people NOT for its own personal gain

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Carnalian has taken an appropriate approach. If our nation was under siege by rebels, we would kill ten thousand of them if we have to, even if they are your citizens, Jivdom. In Mesatecala, the securities act allows the government to issue immediate executions against terrorists. There should be a zero-tolerance policy taken.


Yeah I understand there comes time when Killing enemies is imminent but these supposed terrorists were in captivity so they were no longer any threat so why couldn't give them a fair trial? If for no other reason but to humour Jivdom. To me this says he was not sure of there guilt so wanted them dead and buried before they could prove their innocence - maybe he just wanted a scapegoat?

Do you all think the way to stop evil is by doing evil? Has history taught you nothing? Think of Hitler, starling, Saddam Hussein there all tried that approach and look how successful they were Hitler was taken down by the rest of the world, starling just ruined a very powerful nation, and Saddam was taken down by the britts and Americans, If we don’t learnt from the mistakes of the past we WILL BE DOOMED TO REPEAT THEM! SO to ensure such a conflict of interests like the one we now have between Jivdom and Carnalian I want to solve our differences now

And fighter as i have told you so many times - I am not Here to stand by and let all manner of injustice go on without at least trying to stop it happening!
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Old Zertaxia
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wow.....Jen's getting fiesty.....anywho, I think there has been a peaceful end of this problem, so the GRAU is no longer needed or was there something else?
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Jivdom
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If carnalian will accept my intended course of action then I think this problem has been sorted out - Thanks for the advice though :D

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Jen's getting fiesty
Yeah, I would not want to cross her! :cyborg:
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jivdom
Oct 6 2005, 03:12 PM
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Yeah I understand there comes time when Killing enemies is imminent but these supposed terrorists were in captivity so they were no longer any threat so why couldn't give them a fair trial? If for no other reason but to humour Jivdom. To me this says he was not sure of there guilt so wanted them dead and buried before they could prove their innocence - maybe he just wanted a scapegoat?

Do you all think the way to stop evil is by doing evil? Has history taught you nothing? Think of Hitler, starling, Saddam Hussein there all tried that approach and look how successful they were Hitler was taken down by the rest of the world, starling just ruined a very powerful nation, and Saddam was taken down by the britts and Americans, If we don’t learnt from the mistakes of the past we WILL BE DOOMED TO REPEAT THEM! SO to ensure such a conflict of interests like the one we now have between Jivdom and Carnalian I want to solve our differences now

Jivdom: The Mesatecalan government does not accept these accusations of being compared to Hitler, Hussein or the like. Our government does its job in protecting its people and so do others. This approach we take is not evil. You frankly don't know what you are talking about. We are not killing our opposition like they did, we are killing terrorists who try to disrupt our country. And if we are ruining our country, then why did it just get upgraded to "frightening" status when it comes to the economy? Your rhetoric is seemingly immature, and we are shocked that you play the Hitler card.

OOC: Grow up. It isn't right to play the Hitler or Hussein card, especially when you have to realize that i'm not running my country in that way.
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Sorry Mesatecala, I didn't mean to imply you were in anyway like Hitler or anyone else, when i said
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Do you all think the way to stop evil is by doing evil? Has history taught you nothing? Think of Hitler, starling, Saddam Hussein there all tried that approach and look how successful they were Hitler was taken down by the rest of the world, starling just ruined a very powerful nation, and Saddam was taken down by the britts and Americans, If we don’t learnt from the mistakes of the past we WILL BE DOOMED TO REPEAT THEM! SO to ensure such a conflict of interests like the one we now have between Jivdom and Carnalian I want to solve our differences now

It was meant to be an answer to fighter telling me not to care about the death of my citizens and it was just to illustrate that if you stop caring about people Suspected of terrorism then whats next?
But referring to them is not in anyway childish in anyway - i was illustrating what happens when governments begin to choose which citizens are worth sticking up for and which are not they were some of the most important People in history and there is a lot we can learn, which can help us avoid creating similar situations.
I am truly sorry for any offence and have no idea how you run your nation so i am not in a position to criticise it.
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I'm just going to say that, two wrongs make a right.

Terrorists kill---terrorists killed---No more terrorists!
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That may work for some but i think 2 wrongs don't make s right

Terrorists kill---terrorists killed---Millions more terrorists!
But thats just my view
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Carnalian
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Terrorists kill---terrorists killed---Million more terrorists---million more terrorists killed!


Simple :)
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Carnalian
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Using harsh tactics will stop the terrorists with examples (executions). By controling your people terrorism will not spread.
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Terrorists kill---terrorists killed---Million more terrorists---million more terrorists killed!---millions of millions of more terrorist!! Complex - though what do I know, never having any experience myself
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jviom I meant that if you cared about your people you wouldn't had sent them to war against us.In the second rebel war swat3 was the threat you and the others nations were noting.

JOH we had defense our boraders as so had you.We belive the best defense is attack.Hurt are nation by your bad mouthing and you will pay.You have threated us.Growing for defense!How lame!!!Even we don't use that anymore.
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