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| [RP] The Hanse Convention; Rules of War | |
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| Topic Started: Nov 27 2005, 12:51 AM (149 Views) | |
| walkerstown | Nov 27 2005, 12:51 AM Post #1 |
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The first act of the Hanseatic League: Due to the use of inhumane tactics and weaponry during the recent, ongoing conflict in region 3, the Walkerstown government (which has remained neutral throughgout the war) today presented its 'Rules of War' to assorted members of the press. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Combat -White flags and other symbols of surrender will not be misused. -People who have surrendered will not be killed or harmed. -Buildings or ships used as hospitals will not be attacked. -Armed forces will not use their enemies’ flag, uniform or insignia for their own purposes. -Unless being used in a military capacity buildings dedicated to the arts, science and charitable organisations will not be deliberately targeted. -Historically or culturally significant buildings will not be attacked unless being used in a military capacity. -No nation will use chemical or biological warfare. -No nation will undertake the systematic destruction of a particular group of people based on nationality or ethnicity. 2. Wounded and Sick -If a person is wounded then regardless of which side the wounded individual was fighting for, medical attention must be given. -Unarmed medical and religious personnel will not be targeted. -Prisoners and wounded will in all circumstances be treated humanely, without any adverse distinction founded on race, colour, religion or faith, sex, birth or wealth, or any other similar criteria. -Prisoners and wounded will not be killed, tortured, experimented upon or treated in an inhumane or degrading manner. -The dead will be collected, examined, identified and given a proper burial. 3. Prisoners of War -The following people must be given POW status when captured, Members of the armed forces, Members of militias and other volunteer corps, People who accompany the armed forces (such as members of the media), Crews of the merchant marine and civil aircraft. -No physical or mental torture, nor any other form of coercion, may be inflicted on prisoners of war to secure from them information of any kind whatever. Prisoners of war who refuse to answer may not be threatened, insulted, or exposed to any unpleasant or disadvantageous treatment of any kind. -POWs will be granted all of the rights and privileges that their captor grants to its own armed forces, in terms of food, water, shelter, clothing, exercise, correspondence, religious practice and other basic human needs. -Once captured by the enemy, prisoners of war are subject to the laws of the armed force that is holding them. They must act according to the rules and regulations of their captors, and breaking those rules leaves them open to the same trial and punishment as that faced by a member of the detaining military. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Any nation, reagrdless of their allegiance is allowed to sign or discuss this convention. |
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| Northern Chittowa | Nov 27 2005, 12:55 AM Post #2 |
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that part bothers me a tad. not that i dont like it, just that i cant see it happening... |
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| walkerstown | Nov 27 2005, 12:58 AM Post #3 |
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The part about stopping fighting or the whole thing? |
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| Carnalian | Nov 27 2005, 01:00 AM Post #4 |
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I'm not sure if an army is going to stop a fire fight to bury their dead, especially when there napalm and missiles being fired. |
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| Northern Chittowa | Nov 27 2005, 01:01 AM Post #5 |
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sorry should have been more clearer. the part about stopping the war to Retrieve the dead. |
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| walkerstown | Nov 27 2005, 01:01 AM Post #6 |
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Ok, although that would be the ideal circumstance as long as the procedures take place at some stage (i.e. after the battle) then it is ok. Il edit it out of the above post. |
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| Mesatecala | Nov 27 2005, 01:01 AM Post #7 |
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Okay some problems I have with this: 1) Our Armed Forces often does use enemy combatant clothing, specifically our SPEC-OPs. This is doctrine in order to inflitrate enemy positions 2) You say a lot of buildings cannot be attacked, but that is very unlikely. 3) Mesatecala does not attack medical teams, unlike what accusations coming out of the CSTO has been saying. 4) We reserve our right to use torture in questioning of POWs. We use water torture in getting information that we need in order to save lives of our own men. If you don't like this, there is nothing you can really do about it. 5) You have no way in enforcing this, nor will you on our nation. 6) POWs will not be granted the freedoms you talk about, because they can cause problems for our own men, by trying to steal and leak information. We cannot risk it. They will be given basic food, but not the good military rations fed to my soldiers. That's for my men to fight in combat. We can't accept this. |
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| Carnalian | Nov 27 2005, 01:03 AM Post #8 |
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Well, you've been bragging about your military, I'm sure they will be able to pin point a building. And you don't have to accept it if youre not in the league. |
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| Mesatecala | Nov 27 2005, 01:04 AM Post #9 |
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| Carnalian | Nov 27 2005, 01:05 AM Post #10 |
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No I think it's sensible and should be introduced to all nations in the GRA world. |
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| walkerstown | Nov 27 2005, 01:05 AM Post #11 |
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2) why would you dliberately target buildings not being used in a military capacity. 3) i am not claiming that you did. 5) you are being invited not forced to sign it. 6) the exact same standard of food does not have to be given, as long as it is something that would be acceptable to your own forces if given to them. |
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| Mesatecala | Nov 27 2005, 01:06 AM Post #12 |
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We won't agree to it. It violates our national soverignity. "6) the exact same standard of food does not have to be given, as long as it is something that would be acceptable to your own forces if given to them." We give them stale bread and water. And maybe some rice. But that is it. We are not going to spend a lot of our own money and agriculture to feed them well when our population and soldiers needs it. |
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| walkerstown | Nov 27 2005, 01:07 AM Post #13 |
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Its simple enough, dont sign it. |
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| Carnalian | Nov 27 2005, 01:07 AM Post #14 |
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This should be put in an international document where all nations should sign. Its morally wrong to kill civilians and torture PoW's there should be some control. |
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| Mesatecala | Nov 27 2005, 01:08 AM Post #15 |
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Well that won't work because we won't sign it. There is a different between "should" and "will". |
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| Carnalian | Nov 27 2005, 01:10 AM Post #16 |
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You don't have to sign it but what if we capture some of your troops do you want them to be tortured or be treated humanly and handed back to their families at the end of a war? |
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| Northern Chittowa | Nov 27 2005, 01:12 AM Post #17 |
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1) i do agree with what you are saying here as spies do require this more often then not. 2) Perhaps it should say that the Buildings mentioned should not be targeted if possible. if Intel shows there are ememy members in there say, then you would have no choice (of course this would have to be written up much better as this is very informal) 3) thats there just to state the obvious and to make sure everyone who signs it knows 4) again i agree to an extent, but you should try and keep them alive if at all posible 5) thats why it is all Voluntary atm 6) POWs should be given the chance to exercise and the like in an enclosed area (look at the WW's and Germany, they did give them the basics of a roof over their heads and food, excersie etc. it should be the same here) |
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| walkerstown | Nov 27 2005, 01:15 AM Post #18 |
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The buildings "will not be deliberately targeted" It allows some room for errors and misjudgements. |
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| Mesatecala | Nov 27 2005, 04:24 AM Post #19 |
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Water torture does not cause physical harm. It only causes a mental breakdown. We are not denying POWs food and shelter. But in no way will we take money away from our military to spend on POWs. |
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| walkerstown | Nov 27 2005, 08:14 AM Post #20 |
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Spies are not covered by the convention. Basically Mes it means that you just have to give them a standard of food that means they get all their dietry needs and wont die of any dietry or nutritional diseases. |
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