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| Topic Started: Apr 15 2006, 06:30 AM (137 Views) | |
| VincentDantes | Apr 15 2006, 06:30 AM Post #1 |
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Ladies and Gentleman before I proceed with the purpose of this thread. I want you to know that to me my idea is mine, I would put my life and existance everything within it and on the line to the declearation that the idea is mine, not copied, it might’ve been said, it might’ve been thought of before, but I know not of it. I know it is mine because it came to me. You will think after you have read my idea whatever it is you want I could be to some just a foolish inexperienced 17 year old pretending to be a philosopher, a thinker, original. To others I could be a you inexperienced fool with potential, and yet to others I could be a genius. I myself do not know and I do not care to pass judgement on myself, whichever is true the fact still remains true that the idea is mine and to me it is a paradigm. But it also remains that you do not know me you will only know these words of me and the words of my idea. Think whatever you like as it is youre nature to do so. I do not give this idea a title, I fear even mentioning it and classifying it as an idea might corrupt what it is. A title limits the bounds of ideas, a title or a name makes whatever it is given to solid, and of form, it prevents the idea from being free, and without walls, boundries or borders. So without any further adeue here it is: And Idea is Invincible God is invincible Therefore god is an idea. An Idea is immaterial but real And is in everything that comes after it. An Idea is a creation, the owner of the idea has already created it Weather it has been built or not, it is already created The act of building it and turning it into a physical being is just that building, Putting bricks, wood, and nails together. The idea is that which is truly great. Nothing exists simply as is Everything was once an idea Every idea is part of every other idea to varying degrees. Some ideas even though to the owner of the idea may seem single and orignal Is always a reaction to an idea before it Every idea is of the same value Weather it is the product and reaction of a million others A product of everything one has smelt, felt, heard, said, tasted, or saw. Or it could be the product of only thing. Yet no matter how many reaction’s an idea is created from Weather it is from only one, or from an infinite number It is of the same merit because an Idea is God. But some may say well one idea is more stupid than another, But I argue that what makes an idea less than that of another is not in its merit as an idea Because as I have said all ideas or of the same merit. What does make an idea less than that of another is its practicality What I mean by that is, that some ideas may be useless or worthless Because they cannot be built. They cannot be brought into existance in the physical world. Yet every idea is already created, and exists. Yet it is immaterial but it exists. As god is immaterial but exists. But you may say if all this is true, as you seem to think it so, And that in fact every idea is the product of another, And that god is an idea And that God is Idea And that before anything exists it is foremost an idea. Then what came before god, who or what created god. I first must say that god is the original idea He created it all, he was the first idea, And as every idea is in every other His idea is in all of us And the idea of him is in all of us. But I proceed to answer your question At one point we were all ideas, and everything in existance was once an idea. God IS Idea. We may give him personality, give him name and title, add traditions and ceremonies, and institutions, but those are just our own ideas. But even in those ideas God IS. Now know that weather you belive in god as humanity has made him, belive in his existance, or that you don’t believe, you belief is an idea. Know this, whenever you think of an idea You CREATE This is god, you are performing an act of god, no matter what the idea is. God exists in everything, and in all of us, we are god but not gods. Whatever else there is, know that the proof of god lies within yourself, If you have ever thought an idea, You have proven there is god. And you have all done so. P.S. An idea is invincible, the first idea that one thinks of is pure, cannot be changed, or corrupted. Weather it is good or bad or in the middle it is still pure. An idea can be replaced, hidden, or repressed but it cannot be destroyed. Once an idea is shared with others it is always still in its pure form, the others who claim to “change” an idea are misled, all they are doing is attaching onto it, building onto it, redirecting it. But the first idea, the core idea is always pure. It is like a christmas tree, the tree is the first core idea, all that is added to it is only hung on it, the lights and ornaments cannot become part of the tree, they can only hang onto it. The ornaments as themselves ar ideas too and are pure in themselves but are single entities as the tree is also a single independants entity and one cannot become part of the other. The ornaments can make the tree looks perttier, flashiers, more attractive but without the tree without the core idea they are just a clump of objects. Without god we are just a clump of objects, meaningless and useless. We attempt to record ideas, weather it be in our minds, in books, movies, or any other products, this is the process of building the idea in the physical world. But if the owner of the idea dies, if everything the idea was recorded on is destroyed, every book burnts, movie melted, and sound erased, the idea still exists. As soon as an idea is called into existance it becomes a part of all existance weather it is created or not. Wether someone hears it or not. It becomes a part of existance. How great an idea is, is not measured in its intelligence, or even usefuleness, as an idea it is of the same merit as any other. But what makes it greater is the reaction it causes, so even the stupidest idea is great if it causes a reaction. Its like dominoes, the greater the exposure of an idea is the more reaction it creates meaning when the first domino is pushed the more other dominos it moves the greater that first one is. So whatever you may have thought of my idea, Remember one thing and one think only NEVER no matter what, let an idea stay within you, always no matter what Share it with as many other as possible. Because your idea no matter how irrelevant can cause an unpredictable reaction In someone else to think of another idea. The idea someone else thought of could have nothing to do with your original idea, But that idea could truly be something great. There is a famous quote that I wish to add on to: “Every action causes an equal and opposite reaction no matter how irrelevant and unpredictable the reaction may be.” So your ideas good or bad, innocent or cynical, worthy or worthless, stupid or intelligent, etc, can start the reaction of something great, no matter how irrelevant and unpredictable that reaction may be. So just know no matter what share your ideas, and do not be afraid of the reaction it may cause, because that reaction may be totally unpredictable. The reaction can either be something truly great and idea to always be remembered, or it can be something truly devestating and destructive. There is no coincidence. Everything happens for a reason, do not fear your ideas. Thank you, B.N. [I do realize some parts of this may have been vague and not clear or descriptive enough for some people to understand what I meant by them, if you have any comments or questions PM me. In case you are curious as to what action sparked my idea, it was actualy a few simple words that the character “V” in the movie I just saw V for Vendetta said, He said “Ideas are bulletproof” later when I recall it in my mind they words were changed to “Ideas are invincible”. These 3 simple words sparken a slightly related, reaction that made me write this. I wrote the first 5 lines on the bus, then had to return the pencil to my friend cuz he was getting of, and I thought up some of the other key lines, I sprinted to my house, ran into my den/office locked the door freaked out my parents and wrote, without stopping for a single second.] |
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| U-ropa | Apr 15 2006, 02:37 PM Post #2 |
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some grammar might make it a little more lucid...then again, look at Nietzche... |
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| U-ropa | Apr 15 2006, 02:54 PM Post #3 |
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what this is called, is a syllogism... you start with two premises, ie, an idea is invincible (minor premise) then relate that to a major premise- that god is invincible, thus god is an idea, and then extrapolate from that some exceptionally profound and insightful meaning. sadly, your syllogism conforms to something called a logical fallacy, as the premises that it is based on are 1) not universally true 2) fail to subscribe to the basic tenets of rational. to address 1): you will find it very hard to justify that an idea is 'invincible'...one can arbitrate ideas by using reality as a measuring stick, hence the evolution of social sciences or academia in general, therefore, one can distinguish between an idea that holds truth or as an accurate representation of reality, or an idea that reflects fantasy, and therefore is not an idea, rather it is an expression of imagination or an abstract that does not relate to reality and hence holds no truth. this leads on to 2): given that the premise is flawed means that it cannot universally hold, ergo, any meaning that you extrapolate using the minor premise to explain the major premise cannot stand up to scrutiny, a bit like using a complicated maths formula, where the answer is wrong because you applied the forumula incorrectly in the opening stages of your deduction... you dig? ps. post-modern alternatives are bullshit, and not to be tolerated. |
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| Joe Bobs | Apr 15 2006, 11:06 PM Post #4 |
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Well U-ropa took the words right out of my mouth there. You may want to look up "inductive reason." And then, if you look up "the problem of inductive reason" it'll save me typing up my first argument. This bit is where you slip up:
As your entire argument is based on this, your argument breaks down. this is inductive reasoning and does not make sense. Also, you take the initial presumption that God exists, because you say "God is invincinle." For him to be invincible, he must first exist. As you aim to prove God's existence in the latter part of your argument, this too is flawed, as you have reached a conclusion that was essential for one of your presumptions. The quote “Every action causes an equal and opposite reaction no matter how irrelevant and unpredictable the reaction may be" is taken out of context. when Newton wrote this, he was not referring to anything at all similar to the topic you are covering. Absorb these criticisms from me and U-ropa and whoever else though. Don't be disheartened at voicing your ideas. A final note:
Those capitalisations make me think this: were you stoned when you wrote this? |
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| VincentDantes | Apr 16 2006, 04:50 AM Post #5 |
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No..I wasn't stoned. But thanks for the advice anyways. |
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| Joe Bobs | Apr 16 2006, 04:23 PM Post #6 |
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Don't lose confidence in writing down stuff you think though. What I tend to do, is write down what I think, like you did, and then wait a week or so, when you may be in a different frame of mind, and pick the best bits out again and rewrite it. This way you have stronger structure and avoid sounding like a rant. |
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| Jonewest | Jun 21 2006, 09:13 AM Post #7 |
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I love rants
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| Joe Bobs | Jun 21 2006, 03:25 PM Post #8 |
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I have a whole blog of rants on my MySpace, actually called "The Rants of Joe Bobs." So far I have covered the music press, Ian Hamilton's In Search of J.D. Salinger[/], the woes of being an atheist and parochial types. |
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| U-ropa | Jun 21 2006, 03:32 PM Post #9 |
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A Salinger fan! It was my Tom Sawyer (to paraphrase)... |
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| Joe Bobs | Jun 21 2006, 04:27 PM Post #10 |
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I love Salinger. I have everything he's written. There's a website where you can download all the short storied he wrote in the New York Times and such for free! Have you read For Esme with Love and Squalor? It's called Nine Stories in some editions. There's a story called A Good Day for Bananafish that will have you weeping it's just so beautiful. Raise High the Roofbeam, Carpenters and Franny and Zooie are probably my favourite books. Apparently he has three full novels he refuses to publish locked away in a safe. |
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| U-ropa | Jun 21 2006, 04:31 PM Post #11 |
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Of course I bloody have - the paraphrase is from Franny & Zooey... The question is, have you read 'The inverted forest'? |
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| Joe Bobs | Jun 21 2006, 04:35 PM Post #12 |
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The Inverted Forest. I got half way through before reading off a computer became too torturous. I'll print i off and finish it. I can't have someone else being a bigger Salinger buff.
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| U-ropa | Jun 21 2006, 04:38 PM Post #13 |
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I was reading Salinger at a time when you probably thought the Great Gatsby was a gentlemans summer jacket... |
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| Joe Bobs | Jun 21 2006, 04:58 PM Post #14 |
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*in Jerry Springer style* Ooooo!!! Don't diss my reading, Mr. Oxford! Y'all hatin' up in here! |
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