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The nature of politics...
Topic Started: Apr 21 2006, 05:00 PM (783 Views)
U-ropa
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I'm currently enjoying Francis Fukuyama's book on the 'end of history'.

Ignoring the Hegelian bit, Fukuyama argues that the end of the cold war provided the culmination of the ideological forces unleashed by the American and French revolutions. With the end of the cold war, we saw the apparent triumph of liberal democracy and market forces, and the relegation of the other great ideologies (nationalism, fascism, communism et al) to the dustbin that is victor’s history.

If one looks at present British politics, the difference between the main parties is in fact very small, the only real differences being arguments over application rather then substance, i.e., the best way to reform the National Health Service.

One must then ask ourselves, is there any ideology left in contemporary western politics, or is the future, as Fukuyama argues, just going to be about pedantic debates around what packaging your capitalism comes in?




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its because of that that we r against you
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Yeah I kinda gathered that... it was more of a rhetorical question <_<
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Rinius
Apr 22 2006, 10:53 AM
Why is everyone against me? :P Sorry fellas, but I do believe in the BNP, moreso the NF though...

okay.

i refuse to engage with anybody, on an intellectual level, who identifies with the BNP or the NF.

now, and i think this has been clear from the regional reaction, nobody here likes you, or your creed.

so to engage on a level that you may be able to understand, we see you, like you see ethnic minorities.

we dont like you, and we would like you to piss off and die.

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:( Jeez dude, you don't have to be so mean about my beliefs, you say you believe in a democratic system, but you don't want to tolerate my beliefs, it doesn't make sense, I tolerate communists, socialists, etc every day, you know why? Because they have the RIGHT to believe in communism, and it wouldn't change under BNP nor NF, People would have absolute political freedom, read their constitutions, they believe in democracy to it's fullest extent
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we would like you to piss off and die.


Hear hear.
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he has a point
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Apr 22 2006, 11:02 AM
:( Jeez dude, you don't have to be so mean about my beliefs, you say you believe in a democratic system, but you don't want to tolerate my beliefs, it doesn't make sense, I tolerate communists, socialists, etc every day, you know why? Because they have the RIGHT to believe in communism, and it wouldn't change under BNP nor NF, People would have absolute political freedom, read their constitutions, they believe in democracy to it's fullest extent

ummm okay.

like i said, i refuse to engage on an intellectual level with anybody who believes in the BNP/NF.

needless to say, if you think that the National Front, a group that is responsible for nail-bombing gay nightclubs, and firebombing the homes of ethnic minorities are tolerant, you are f.ucking stupid.

now.

why dont you piss off to a region, where you can share in this mindless nazi crap with other people, and not pollute our enviroment with the arse dribble that comes out of your mouth.
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needless to say, if you think that the National Front, a group that is responsible for nail-bombing gay nightclubs, and firebombing the homes of ethnic minorities are tolerant, you are f.ucking stupid.


It's funny how left wing and manipulative the british media are, The NF did none of those things, they are a peacefull movement, if anything the BNP are moreso involved in those kind of activites...
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thats what they want you to believe
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that's what the media want you to believe.
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the media never lies (most of the time)
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Apr 22 2006, 11:10 AM
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needless to say, if you think that the National Front, a group that is responsible for nail-bombing gay nightclubs, and firebombing the homes of ethnic minorities are tolerant, you are f.ucking stupid.


It's funny how left wing and manipulative the british media are, The NF did none of those things, they are a peacefull movement, if anything the BNP are moreso involved in those kind of activites...

okay.

so i guess that the Admiral Duncan pub is a figment of the world's collective imagination.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/s...000/2499249.stm

twat.
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it isnt :(
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That bombing had nothing to do with BNP nor NF, it never even mentions the two, it writes 'extremist groups', it was horrible what happened even if they were homosexual, they were still human beings... but yeah BNP nor NF had nothing to do with that...
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Rinius
Apr 22 2006, 11:21 AM
That bombing had nothing to do with BNP nor NF, it never even mentions the two, it writes 'extremist groups', it was horrible what happened even if they were homosexual, they were still human beings... but yeah BNP nor NF had nothing to do with that...

David Copeland, the nazi that carried out these attacks wasnt in the BNP was he?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Copeland

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Copeland was born in Isleworth, London, and brought up in Yateley, Hampshire, where he attended Yateley comprehensive school and passed in seven subjects in his General Certificate of Secondary Education. He apparently resented that he was small for his age, and was given the nickname "Mr. Angry." After his arrest, he told psychiatrists that he had started having sadistic dreams when he was about 12, including dreams or fantasies that he'd be reincarnated as an SS officer with access to women as slaves. He left school when he was 16 to start an engineering apprenticeship, and became involved in petty crime, drinking, and taking drugs, including heroin. He was said in court never to have had a girlfriend, and feared that people might think he was gay.

In May 1997, at the age of 21, he joined the British National Party, a far-right, anti-immigration party that fields candidates in British elections. Copeland acted as a steward at some BNP meetings, in the course of which he came into contact with the BNP leadership and was photographed standing next to John Tyndall, then BNP party leader. It was during this period that Copeland first learned how to make bombs using fireworks with alarm clocks as timers after downloading a so-called terrorists' handbook from the Web.


anymore nazi bullshit from you, and i'll start a petition to have you banned.
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It was during this period that Copeland first learned how to make bombs using fireworks with alarm clocks as timers after downloading a so-called terrorists' handbook from the Web.


he didn't learn how to do it from the BNP, nor did they support his actions, they booted him out, his actions were horrible and not at all what the BNP represent, this man will be judged by God for his actions, and I grieve for the victims :( I also pray that something like this doesn't happen again. But anyhow the IRA, they are Socialist, yet any socialist on this forum doesn't get told off because of their beliefs, remember the victims of their bomb? the Guildford pub victims, the IRA actually TRAINS their people how to use weapons and to build bombs, they are trully sick, and I pray for them.
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Apr 22 2006, 11:34 AM
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It was during this period that Copeland first learned how to make bombs using fireworks with alarm clocks as timers after downloading a so-called terrorists' handbook from the Web.


he didn't learn how to do it from the BNP, nor did they support his actions, they booted him out, his actions were horrible and not at all what the BNP represent, this man will be judged by God for his actions, and I grieve for the victims :( I also pray that something like this doesn't happen again. But anyhow the IRA, they are Socialist, yet any socialist on this forum doesn't get told off because of their beliefs, remember the victims of their bomb? the Guildford pub victims, the IRA actually TRAINS their people how to use weapons and to build bombs, they are trully sick, and I pray for them.

i echo L&H here:

you Sir, are a TWAT!
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Sorry I correct myself, the IRA are Marxist-Nationalist...
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Apr 22 2006, 11:07 AM
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Apr 22 2006, 11:02 AM
:(  Jeez dude, you don't have to be so mean about my beliefs, you say you believe in a democratic system, but you don't want to tolerate my beliefs, it doesn't make sense, I tolerate communists, socialists, etc every day, you know why? Because they have the RIGHT to believe in communism, and it wouldn't change under BNP nor NF, People would have absolute political freedom, read their constitutions, they believe in democracy to it's fullest extent

ummm okay.

like i said, i refuse to engage on an intellectual level with anybody who believes in the BNP/NF.

needless to say, if you think that the National Front, a group that is responsible for nail-bombing gay nightclubs, and firebombing the homes of ethnic minorities are tolerant, you are f.ucking stupid.

now.

why dont you piss off to a region, where you can share in this mindless nazi crap with other people, and not pollute our enviroment with the arse dribble that comes out of your mouth.

I agree with U-ropa

He said it better than I ever could

edit: corrected grammer
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I also agree.

And you are seriously messed up if you think the BNP/NF "believe in democracy to it's fullest extent".

EDIT: and I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry at the fact you think you're a Christian.
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