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| Topic Started: Apr 21 2006, 05:00 PM (783 Views) | |
| U-ropa | Apr 21 2006, 05:00 PM Post #1 |
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I'm currently enjoying Francis Fukuyama's book on the 'end of history'. Ignoring the Hegelian bit, Fukuyama argues that the end of the cold war provided the culmination of the ideological forces unleashed by the American and French revolutions. With the end of the cold war, we saw the apparent triumph of liberal democracy and market forces, and the relegation of the other great ideologies (nationalism, fascism, communism et al) to the dustbin that is victor’s history. If one looks at present British politics, the difference between the main parties is in fact very small, the only real differences being arguments over application rather then substance, i.e., the best way to reform the National Health Service. One must then ask ourselves, is there any ideology left in contemporary western politics, or is the future, as Fukuyama argues, just going to be about pedantic debates around what packaging your capitalism comes in? |
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| Calculators | Apr 22 2006, 11:56 AM Post #21 |
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How very dare you
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its because of that that we r against you |
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| Rinius | Apr 22 2006, 11:58 AM Post #22 |
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Hail Mary
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Yeah I kinda gathered that... it was more of a rhetorical question <_< |
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| U-ropa | Apr 22 2006, 11:58 AM Post #23 |
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okay. i refuse to engage with anybody, on an intellectual level, who identifies with the BNP or the NF. now, and i think this has been clear from the regional reaction, nobody here likes you, or your creed. so to engage on a level that you may be able to understand, we see you, like you see ethnic minorities. we dont like you, and we would like you to piss off and die. |
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| Rinius | Apr 22 2006, 12:02 PM Post #24 |
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Hail Mary
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Jeez dude, you don't have to be so mean about my beliefs, you say you believe in a democratic system, but you don't want to tolerate my beliefs, it doesn't make sense, I tolerate communists, socialists, etc every day, you know why? Because they have the RIGHT to believe in communism, and it wouldn't change under BNP nor NF, People would have absolute political freedom, read their constitutions, they believe in democracy to it's fullest extent
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| Kozh Heol | Apr 22 2006, 12:02 PM Post #25 |
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Hear hear. |
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| Calculators | Apr 22 2006, 12:05 PM Post #26 |
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How very dare you
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he has a point |
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| U-ropa | Apr 22 2006, 12:07 PM Post #27 |
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ummm okay. like i said, i refuse to engage on an intellectual level with anybody who believes in the BNP/NF. needless to say, if you think that the National Front, a group that is responsible for nail-bombing gay nightclubs, and firebombing the homes of ethnic minorities are tolerant, you are f.ucking stupid. now. why dont you piss off to a region, where you can share in this mindless nazi crap with other people, and not pollute our enviroment with the arse dribble that comes out of your mouth. |
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| Rinius | Apr 22 2006, 12:10 PM Post #28 |
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Hail Mary
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It's funny how left wing and manipulative the british media are, The NF did none of those things, they are a peacefull movement, if anything the BNP are moreso involved in those kind of activites... |
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| Calculators | Apr 22 2006, 12:12 PM Post #29 |
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How very dare you
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thats what they want you to believe |
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| Rinius | Apr 22 2006, 12:13 PM Post #30 |
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Hail Mary
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that's what the media want you to believe. |
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| Calculators | Apr 22 2006, 12:14 PM Post #31 |
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How very dare you
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the media never lies (most of the time) |
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| U-ropa | Apr 22 2006, 12:15 PM Post #32 |
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okay. so i guess that the Admiral Duncan pub is a figment of the world's collective imagination. http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/s...000/2499249.stm twat. |
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| Calculators | Apr 22 2006, 12:18 PM Post #33 |
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How very dare you
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it isnt
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| Rinius | Apr 22 2006, 12:21 PM Post #34 |
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Hail Mary
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That bombing had nothing to do with BNP nor NF, it never even mentions the two, it writes 'extremist groups', it was horrible what happened even if they were homosexual, they were still human beings... but yeah BNP nor NF had nothing to do with that... |
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| U-ropa | Apr 22 2006, 12:24 PM Post #35 |
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David Copeland, the nazi that carried out these attacks wasnt in the BNP was he? :rolleyes2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Copeland and i quote:
anymore nazi bullshit from you, and i'll start a petition to have you banned. |
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| Rinius | Apr 22 2006, 12:34 PM Post #36 |
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Hail Mary
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he didn't learn how to do it from the BNP, nor did they support his actions, they booted him out, his actions were horrible and not at all what the BNP represent, this man will be judged by God for his actions, and I grieve for the victims I also pray that something like this doesn't happen again. But anyhow the IRA, they are Socialist, yet any socialist on this forum doesn't get told off because of their beliefs, remember the victims of their bomb? the Guildford pub victims, the IRA actually TRAINS their people how to use weapons and to build bombs, they are trully sick, and I pray for them.
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| U-ropa | Apr 22 2006, 12:35 PM Post #37 |
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i echo L&H here: you Sir, are a TWAT! |
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| Rinius | Apr 22 2006, 12:37 PM Post #38 |
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Hail Mary
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Sorry I correct myself, the IRA are Marxist-Nationalist... |
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| Love and Honour | Apr 22 2006, 12:59 PM Post #39 |
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Yes Sir; No Sir: 3 Bags Full Sir
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I agree with U-ropa He said it better than I ever could edit: corrected grammer |
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| Pidgeon Island | Apr 22 2006, 06:19 PM Post #40 |
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Not so stale.
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I also agree. And you are seriously messed up if you think the BNP/NF "believe in democracy to it's fullest extent". EDIT: and I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry at the fact you think you're a Christian. |
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Sorry fellas, but I do believe in the BNP, moreso the NF though...
Jeez dude, you don't have to be so mean about my beliefs, you say you believe in a democratic system, but you don't want to tolerate my beliefs, it doesn't make sense, I tolerate communists, socialists, etc every day, you know why? Because they have the RIGHT to believe in communism, and it wouldn't change under BNP nor NF, People would have absolute political freedom, read their constitutions, they believe in democracy to it's fullest extent


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