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The nature of politics...
Topic Started: Apr 21 2006, 05:00 PM (781 Views)
U-ropa	Apr 21 2006, 05:00 PM Post #1
Unregistered	I'm currently enjoying Francis Fukuyama's book on the 'end of history'. Ignoring the Hegelian bit, Fukuyama argues that the end of the cold war provided the culmination of the ideological forces unleashed by the American and French revolutions. With the end of the cold war, we saw the apparent triumph of liberal democracy and market forces, and the relegation of the other great ideologies (nationalism, fascism, communism et al) to the dustbin that is victor�s history. If one looks at present British politics, the difference between the main parties is in fact very small, the only real differences being arguments over application rather then substance, i.e., the best way to reform the National Health Service. One must then ask ourselves, is there any ideology left in contemporary western politics, or is the future, as Fukuyama argues, just going to be about pedantic debates around what packaging your capitalism comes in?
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The Ruescher Empire	Apr 24 2006, 03:37 AM Post #61
Buh Posts: 8,274 Group: Resident Member #184 Joined: January 5, 2006	Lol Arov you think i actually condone what Hitler's people did to the Jews? Hell no! Its a horrible thing that can never be forgiven, however that was Hitler's doing, and is not the National Socialist way. As a descendant of the people who did that to your ancestors im sorry for those actions, however you would be repeating a similary attrocity by persicuting people for their beliefs, just how Hitler persicuted people for their beliefs. Now is that the sort of person you'd like to be?



Kozh Heol	Apr 24 2006, 08:33 AM Post #62
Unregistered	Quote: when I hear somebody say that they "have a place in their heart" for Nazism it makes me want to throw up. And so do most people. Quote: however you would be repeating a similary attrocity by persicuting people for their beliefs I don't think Arov intends for you to have your citizenship taken away, your business looted, placed in "work camps" and then finally killed. Define what your National Socialism is for you.
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Love and Honour	Apr 24 2006, 09:24 AM Post #63
Yes Sir; No Sir: 3 Bags Full Sir Posts: 12,768 Group: Resident Member #52 Joined: June 29, 2005	Yes I believe I asked that earlier



The Ruescher Empire	Apr 24 2006, 02:04 PM Post #64
Buh Posts: 8,274 Group: Resident Member #184 Joined: January 5, 2006	Lol how many times do i have to describe national socialism in its true form :rolleyes: Well here we are once again, National Socialism is a system of government there to promote the country's origin race, wether it be white, black, or asian (i know there are many more but im not stating them all). The government can be anything from a dictatorship to a democracy as long as it supports the growth and preservation of the race. The means by which it does this is through geographical seperation. Other races are paid for their homes and businesses and are deported to their origin nation(s). Through this it is believed that many of societies problems will disapate or be reduced severely. Probably not completly accurate, but its the general idea. And once again i do not support this :rolleyes: I said i understand and accept it.



Pidgeon Island	Apr 24 2006, 02:07 PM Post #65
Not so stale. Posts: 11,032 Group: Citizen-Legislator Member #175 Joined: December 27, 2005 Nation name: Pidgeon Island Political Affiliation: Green Party	So segregation, racism and very likely to turn violent.



The Ruescher Empire	Apr 24 2006, 02:11 PM Post #66
Buh Posts: 8,274 Group: Resident Member #184 Joined: January 5, 2006	No its not meant to turn violent in any way, but i suppose it could happen. Heh it really not all that iron clad if you ask me But tis another political view to add to the rainbow



U-ropa	Apr 24 2006, 02:39 PM Post #67
Unregistered	The Ruescher Empire Apr 24 2006, 01:04 PM Lol how many times do i have to describe national socialism in its true form :rolleyes: Well here we are once again, National Socialism is a system of government there to promote the country's origin race, wether it be white, black, or asian (i know there are many more but im not stating them all). The government can be anything from a dictatorship to a democracy as long as it supports the growth and preservation of the race. The means by which it does this is through geographical seperation. Other races are paid for their homes and businesses and are deported to their origin nation(s). Through this it is believed that many of societies problems will disapate or be reduced severely. Probably not completly accurate, but its the general idea. And once again i do not support this :rolleyes: I said i understand and accept it. okay TRE. little politics lesson. National Socialism is based, primarly, on the work of Friedrich Nietzsche and his ideas of an innate 'will to power'. In his work he proposes a revision of Charles Darwin's ideas of evolution and the survival of the fittest. This becomes social darwinism, that is, the belief that a race of people, have the capacity to evolve faster, due to superior gene types. The reason why the master race is though not evident, is because of material inequalities held by the lower races; hence, man holds back superman. What National Socialism seeks to achieve is to artificially stimulate the evolution of the supposed 'master-race' by eliminating the weaker races through systemic polices of material redistribution and inevitably the systemic, and industrial process of physically eradicating supposed weaker races. The above, is commonly reffered to as either the embryonic stages of, or the initial belief, that you can employ methods of industrialisation to enhance the interest of one race, or put simply, genocide. Referring back to Nietzche's 'will to power', he argues that man's innate predisposition to power, born from man's 'state of nature', manifests in the formation of hierarchical socieities in which power in concentrated in the hands of the few, 'strongest' leaders. This authority must permeate into every facet of society, hence the creation of the term- totalitarian (power in its totality). Therefore, to suggest that National Socialism can, in any way, be considered a democratic ideal OR that you identify with any of the ideas listed above means that you are either: 1) A national socialist or 2) A confused teenager who is using terms that he actually doesnt understand I am hoping it is the later, although i fear the former. (ps. disclaimer, seriously speedy typing so probably millions of typos)
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Pidgeon Island	Apr 24 2006, 02:44 PM Post #68
Not so stale. Posts: 11,032 Group: Citizen-Legislator Member #175 Joined: December 27, 2005 Nation name: Pidgeon Island Political Affiliation: Green Party	The Ruescher Empire Apr 24 2006, 01:11 PM No its not meant to turn violent in any way, but i suppose it could happen. it has already happened.



Calculators	Apr 24 2006, 04:17 PM Post #69
How very dare you Posts: 5,815 Group: Resident Member #257 Joined: March 9, 2006	Arov good to see you here



Lower Bowmania	Apr 24 2006, 05:11 PM Post #70
Simply ravishing... Posts: 4,705 Group: Resident Member #226 Joined: February 12, 2006 Nation name: IA Finance Political Affiliation: IA Finance Other NS identities: IA Finance	U-Ropa...very well put.



Arov	Apr 24 2006, 08:45 PM Post #71
Do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law Posts: 2,351 Group: Resident Member #156 Joined: November 22, 2005	Well put, U-ropa!



Calculators	Apr 24 2006, 08:46 PM Post #72
How very dare you Posts: 5,815 Group: Resident Member #257 Joined: March 9, 2006	yes well done uropa



Arov	Apr 24 2006, 09:04 PM Post #73
Do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law Posts: 2,351 Group: Resident Member #156 Joined: November 22, 2005	U-ropa Apr 23 2006, 01:53 PM Arov Apr 23 2006, 01:42 PM Having visited places like Harvard square in Boston, I can assure you that ideologies asking for the overthrow of the contemporary model of society are far from dead. Yesterday in Harvard square, I saw a flyer advertising a sale of Anarchist literature, and Communist ideology lives on at Revolution Books (here is their website by the way, just to show the sheltered ones what kind of things pop up around Harvard U: http://www.angelfire.com/ma/revbooks/index.html). Communism and Anarchism are, and always will be, manifestations of social angst of some sort. Don't tell me that radical Islam is not another such ideology as well, and it is very contemporary. So long as there is social/philosophical angst among large amounts of people, radical ideology will have a bite; in some parts of the world more than others.� Those pedantic arguments that U-ropa mentions are not very pedantic at all. By my analysis, those arguments reflect uncertainty over how to measure society�s success within the context of the same liberalism that shaped the world before the end of the Cold War. That uncertainty will make ideological differences more apparent. A free-market, especially, will accentuate these differences because a free market that the government cannot control completely may not follow the path of success the people/government want it too. The movement of corporations throughout the world will cause individual states to find a balance between accepting and shaking off corporate influence over their lives, decisions that could affect the entire world economy, as other states with differing views of national success may find it hard to cope economically. This should elicit greater ideological diversity than in previous history, as many should be seeking alternative solutions to the morale that drives a free-market. History is far from over! As for the other �great ideologies�, to me, they are just pedantic arguments over what package your state authoritarianism comes in. In the case of Nationalism, however, leaders are going to have to find a balance between shaping national/cultural identity and letting foreign corporations dissolve their nations' cultures while bringing an economic benefit. New ideologies should arise from this sort of conflict. opps. just realised that was fukuyama's pedantry. I wasn't clear enough. Whatever discussions take place about what form Capitalism will take will be fueled by very fundamental differences regarding how to measure the success of a society. These differences are what fueled the ideological divides before the end of the Cold War and will continue to do so afterwards. As capitalism becomes more entrenched into how people live, these fundamental ideological divides will become greater, since people will have to decide more than ever how business will affect their daily lives and their initial goals of success (influenced by culture, environment, etc.). In a global market, such decisions would affect people who have nothing to do with such decisons, having differing views of national success, causing even greater ideological divides as nations compete with each other. For an example, look at the increasing ideological rift between the US and Latin America. Differing views of national success and the resulting suspicion towards Capitalism among many in Latin America sabotaged the US's free trade initiatives there, and sparked a new trend towards Leftism in the area.



Love and Honour	Apr 24 2006, 09:09 PM Post #74
Yes Sir; No Sir: 3 Bags Full Sir Posts: 12,768 Group: Resident Member #52 Joined: June 29, 2005	Well put U-ropa TRE with this Quote: Well here we are once again, National Socialism is a system of government there to promote the country's origin race, wether it be white, black, or asian (i know there are many more but im not stating them all). The government can be anything from a dictatorship to a democracy as long as it supports the growth and preservation of the race. The means by which it does this is through geographical seperation. Other races are paid for their homes and businesses and are deported to their origin nation(s). Through this it is believed that many of societies problems will disapate or be reduced severely. I believe you have just posted, as you have already indicated your sympathy with this Giant Caterpillars Batman, (if it was not already obvious) your political obituary. I for one am not sorry. edit:- spelling



Arov	Apr 25 2006, 04:00 AM Post #75
Do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law Posts: 2,351 Group: Resident Member #156 Joined: November 22, 2005	The Ruescher Empire Apr 24 2006, 02:37 AM Lol Arov you think i actually condone what Hitler's people did to the Jews? Hell no! Its a horrible thing that can never be forgiven, however that was Hitler's doing, and is not the National Socialist way. As a descendant of the people who did that to your ancestors im sorry for those actions, however you would be repeating a similary attrocity by persicuting people for their beliefs, just how Hitler persicuted people for their beliefs. Now is that the sort of person you'd like to be? Ruescher, the logic behind your "true National Socialism" is what was behind the mass slaughter of Jews, Gypsies, Slavs, and other people who lived in the Third Reich that were deemed "untermensch" (under-human); that races who are below the superior race must be done away with. It was this same logic that led to future genocides, such as the genocides in Cambodia, Rwanda, Yugoslavia, and the persecution of Poles and Jews in the Soviet Union after WWII. You are saying that you sympathize with people who feel that "under-races" should be gotten rid of from individual nations, not the entire world. People suffer when they are discriminated against under any circumstance. If you truly condemn genocide, do not endorse the logic behind it. Reading your comments, it sounds like you are very confused about what Nazism is really about. I strongly urge you to stop and think about what you say on this forum, because it really worries me that you say you "have a place in your heart" for Neo-Nazi tripe. P.S. Even though no apology could erase what happened, I realize that the majority of the German people have grown past the intolerance that led to the Holocaust. P.P.S. I've decided to move to the region of Brotherhood so I can keep up my ties with GRA affairs.



Northern Chittowa	Apr 25 2006, 06:05 PM Post #76
The Grand Old Duke Posts: 10,315 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: May 30, 2005	Well welcome over to Brotherhood



Calculators	Apr 25 2006, 07:51 PM Post #77
How very dare you Posts: 5,815 Group: Resident Member #257 Joined: March 9, 2006	welcome... again



Arov	Apr 26 2006, 12:15 AM Post #78
Do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law Posts: 2,351 Group: Resident Member #156 Joined: November 22, 2005	Thank you to both of you! Let's get back to the topic on Fukuyama, shall we?



Lower Bowmania	Apr 26 2006, 12:22 AM Post #79
Simply ravishing... Posts: 4,705 Group: Resident Member #226 Joined: February 12, 2006 Nation name: IA Finance Political Affiliation: IA Finance Other NS identities: IA Finance	Arov Apr 25 2006, 07:15 PM Let's get back to the topic on Fukuyama, shall we? Here Here! I gave my opinion before the recent melee, but I'd be very interested to hear others' thoughts.



Arov	Apr 26 2006, 07:40 PM Post #80
Do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law Posts: 2,351 Group: Resident Member #156 Joined: November 22, 2005	My full opinion is on the previous page. It got buried by the fight, so nobody responded to it. It's near the bottom.



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