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| Topic Started: Apr 22 2006, 03:26 AM (610 Views) | |
| Athiestica | Apr 22 2006, 03:26 AM Post #1 |
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I don't understand why people blindly believe in something they can't see or hear. The only record of a god is a the bible and it is just a book. You don't believe everything you read do you? I am wondering if someone could help me understand. |
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| Rinius | Apr 22 2006, 03:36 AM Post #2 |
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The Communist Manifesto is just a book, that spouts things that are impossible to believe, The Bible is truth, that's my thought anyway, you have every right to not believe that Jesus died for your sins or that God was the alpha and the omega and he created everything, yes, you have EVERY right to excercise that! But yeah, it's called faith mate, personally I myself cannot believe something with NO proof ala 'Evolution' "Hey maybe one day we just DECIDED to stand up!" Seriously we would have been alot more productive on four legs in many ways... but yeah evolution has no proof, so how can YOU believe that? |
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| Athiestica | Apr 22 2006, 03:55 AM Post #3 |
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Evolution has a hell of alot more proof then the bible. Fossils are proof and so is the everyday natural selection shown in nature proof. What does god have? A book written by people almost 2000 years ago that to say the least were animals. |
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| Rinius | Apr 22 2006, 04:06 AM Post #4 |
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Hail Mary
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Ahh my athiest friend, peace be with you, if only you had faith in christ, your life would be a whole lot happier
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| Athiestica | Apr 22 2006, 04:08 AM Post #5 |
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I doubt it. I although I have tried. |
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| Rinius | Apr 22 2006, 04:17 AM Post #6 |
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Hail Mary
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I pray for you
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| Old Zertaxia | Apr 22 2006, 04:24 AM Post #7 |
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If you've read the past forum topics, you will see this issue has been discussed many times over, and no one ever changes their mind. The religious remain religious and secure in their beliefs and the atheists remain atheist. |
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| Rinius | Apr 22 2006, 04:26 AM Post #8 |
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I wouldn't put it past the forum... This argument has remained unwinnable for milleniums... But everyone has a right to their beliefs
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| Athiestica | Apr 22 2006, 05:02 AM Post #9 |
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That is righ Rinius. But I bet by the end of this century the arugument will be close to ending. |
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| Lower Bowmania | Apr 22 2006, 05:07 AM Post #10 |
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Personally, I envy both Athesitica and Rinia...at least they have something in which the firmly believe. I've spent a lot of time struggling with what I do and don't believe...the problem for me is that believing in either takes a huge leap of faith. For whatever reason, I have a lot of trouble accepting anything without hard fact--hence, I seem to be perpetually stuck in the middle, not willing to accept either, yet having no concrete belief set of my own. On one hand, the religious among you are generally at peace spiritually, yet to me it seems like you hang your happiness on what resembles a fairy tale. At the same time, the atheists hang their hats on being content to live in this life alone, yet they justify it based upon facts that simply aren't proveable. Please don't take that last paragraph as an intent to offend...if does so, I am sorry--I'm just trying to explain the viewpoint of a non-believer who can't fathom why he can't believe. |
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| Lower Bowmania | Apr 22 2006, 05:20 AM Post #11 |
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Not sure about that. Throughout history there have always been periodic rise-and-falls of religious participation and observance....its filled with events political, social, and economic that impact and, in a way, dicate these changes (just to name few: power shifts in ancient Greece and Rome, Crusades, the plague, the great schism, the inquisition, the discovery/development of the new world and seemingly countless others). I think you're just perceiving the recent rise in consumerism and "self-ism" combined with changes in Western culture in a vacuum...the view is much different when you step back and look at is as a historic episode. |
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| Rinius | Apr 22 2006, 05:23 AM Post #12 |
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It's Rinius, sorry to point that out... but wow... just wow, that's one of the most intelligent things I've heard so far mate...
 For many years I struggled with ideologies, religion and other beliefs, my parents - athiests, my friends - couldn't give a crap... my life has been a struggle, but after all that I can proudly say that I am a Catholic White Nationalist, I don't hate other races, I just believe in a country belonging to it's people
ala Britain for Britains or in my case Australia for Australians (And yes that does include aboriginals) but anyhow my beliefs are strong and my spirit is high, When I gave my life to Jesus christ, my life became so much happier and to some extent easier, and all it took was a little prayer and a little faith, so I hope you too friend, find where you stand in the world, atheism, socialism, I don't agree with them but it's your choice, and I hope you end up happy
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| Athiestica | Apr 22 2006, 06:03 AM Post #13 |
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Don't think I don't struggle too my friend. I stuggle everyday but at the end of the day I take a look around and I see the horrors and the tragedies that mankind faces and have made for themselves, but also I look at the great things we do and also things like happiness and love. I come to the conclusion that yes there is a chance there might be a god but I just can't believe that anything that has intelligence could create something like this universe that contradicts itself every day. |
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| Rinius | Apr 22 2006, 07:49 AM Post #14 |
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I totally understand where your coming from dude, but God has a plan for everything, there might be alot of evil in the world but there is also alot of good to conquer it, You've probably heard of Sodom and how God destroyed it? and you've most definately heard about when God flooded the earth for 40 days and 40 nights, to start again... God said he'd never do that again because it was so horrible, God made man to think for himself, if God showed up and said "Hey guys, be good or I'll kill ya" I don't think things would work quite well... we have our own freedom of thought so we can choose to go to heaven, we can choose to be good
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| Pidgeon Island | Apr 22 2006, 09:54 AM Post #15 |
Not so stale.
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Isn't that the KKK? |
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| Rinius | Apr 22 2006, 10:37 AM Post #16 |
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No mate >_< It's not, although I do support some of the KKK's ideals, it's just they have a BAD history, I don't want to kill immigrants and 'coloured' people, just deport them, and I do believe that the holocaust happened so that pretty much cuts me out of the KKK, your assumption sounds like your some kinda left winger... |
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| Pidgeon Island | Apr 22 2006, 10:46 AM Post #17 |
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Not so stale.
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I'm not a left-winger. I'm in the CCP. Although I have been accused by some online poll things, namely politcalcompass.org, of being economically left-wing. Just because I believe the government ought to provide healthcare and education. |
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| Rinius | Apr 22 2006, 10:48 AM Post #18 |
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heh, Political Compass sucks, just like every other political quiz out there, I don't need a quiz to tell me I love my country... But also I FIRMLY do not believe in government supplied healthcare, why should an honest healthy hard working citizen pay for surgery for say... a drug addict? Why pay for something you don't use? |
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| Calculators | Apr 22 2006, 10:49 AM Post #19 |
How very dare you
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What faith i had in god i lost a while ago. I believe that there is some superior force up there i just dont know what it is. |
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| Rinius | Apr 22 2006, 10:54 AM Post #20 |
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Maybe you never had faith, maybe you never gave your life and soul to Lord Jesus Christ... but anyhow I'm sorry to hear that mate... |
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