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| Topic Started: Apr 22 2006, 03:26 AM (614 Views) | |
| Athiestica | Apr 22 2006, 03:26 AM Post #1 |
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I don't understand why people blindly believe in something they can't see or hear. The only record of a god is a the bible and it is just a book. You don't believe everything you read do you? I am wondering if someone could help me understand. |
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| Rinius | Apr 23 2006, 12:18 AM Post #41 |
Hail Mary
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Make people supress it? Sounds like a police state... |
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| U-ropa | Apr 23 2006, 03:20 PM Post #42 |
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C.UNT! GRRRRRR  It makes me so angry that we can tolerate s.hit like this. |
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| Mendra | Apr 23 2006, 04:21 PM Post #43 |
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Tolerate what?? What exactly has he done that offends you? Do his ideals offend you? Although they might not be so popular, he is still entitled to believe what he wants to. Also, do you have to be so vulgar? |
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| U-ropa | Apr 23 2006, 04:34 PM Post #44 |
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please. just so that i can call you a c.unt as well, justify listening to that arse dribble. what is this stupid preoccupation with defending this fascist's right to air his racist/xenophobic/nazi/negative adjective/idiotic views???? he is hiding behind some mirage of being nice and tolerant, then he says stuff like: "oh, we the BNP/NF/KKK, are responsible, tolerant people, oh...and we like democracy as well... ... ... we just happen to want to deport all the funny coloured people out of our countries cause they dont belong there" CANT PEOPLE SEE THROUGH THIS Giant Caterpillars Batman!!!! I FEEL LIKE CHURCHILL SHOUTING AT NEVILLE NEVILLE CHAMBERLAIN- THAT FUNNY LITTLE IDIOT WITH A STUPID MOUSTACHE AND A HIGH PITCHED VOICE IS A REALLY NASTY BLOKE, WHATEVER HE SAYS, THE GUY IS SCUM, DONT EVEN TOUCH HIM WITH A SHITTY STICK!!!! |
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| Mendra | Apr 23 2006, 04:43 PM Post #45 |
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All I am saying is that he has freedom of speech. All he has done is express what he believes in. BTW, in America, even the KKK can hold public rallies. If you don't like it, ignore it. |
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| U-ropa | Apr 23 2006, 04:54 PM Post #46 |
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what is this preoccupation with freedom of speech to defend fascists/nazis/bigots??? they are scum, and we should not give them a platform EVER!!! and the US thing...i couldnt give a toss about the 1st Amendment, here in Europe we practice something called combative democracy, having experienced the evils of fascists/nazis/bigots we have chosen to limit the rights of freedom of speech for those that would take it away if they had the chance (see Germany/Austria and their constitutions). |
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| Pidgeon Island | Apr 23 2006, 05:17 PM Post #47 |
Not so stale.
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Just your ideal world then, eh? |
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| U-ropa | Apr 23 2006, 05:34 PM Post #48 |
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lol |
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| Athiestica | Apr 23 2006, 05:41 PM Post #49 |
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How about we get back on topic? If you want to trash Rinius then do it in some other topic. |
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| Old Zertaxia | Apr 23 2006, 07:04 PM Post #50 |
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Wait, U-ropa and PI. Are you saying that the KKK would not have the right to hold rallies/parades/whatever in Europe? |
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| Pidgeon Island | Apr 23 2006, 07:17 PM Post #51 |
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There would be an extremely lengthy court battle if it were in Britain, but in mainland Europe, then almost certainly not, and that is the way I think it should be. |
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| Old Zertaxia | Apr 23 2006, 07:22 PM Post #52 |
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Well I think THAT is very wrong. I'm not a member of the KKK or a racist or a Nazi, and I think that everything done under the name of any of those ideaologies is probly disgusting, offensive, and wrong, but that does NOT give ANYONE the right to take away their rights to free speech. I guess its different in America, but the First Amendment applies to EVERYONE, not just those whose ideas we like..... Perhaps its just that I've never fathomed the idea or possibility that someone can be silenced for their views, living in America and all, but the very idea is SHOCKING, to say the least. |
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| Athiestica | Apr 23 2006, 07:47 PM Post #53 |
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That is right OZ. |
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| VincentDantes | Apr 23 2006, 09:33 PM Post #54 |
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If you supress any human nature no mature no matter what it is you get negative effects. The best thing to do is achieve a balance. If you are too greedy you are evil if you are not greedy enough you'll be a bum...and die. Both are negative results. But if you know when to take and when to give if you can balance the two sides your life will be good and you will do no evil. I'm not sure if its Taoism or Buddhism but my goal in life is to achieve balance. Too much or too little of anything produces a negative effect. This applies to everything in existance. Supressing human nature weather that nature is good or evil will produce negative results. Balance is the key to happiness. [I found my faith a couple of months ago and my belief in Christ. My realization was that if lets say I found the bones of Christ and new for sure that they were his, or some other hard proof..the bones wouldn't make me happy, they wouln't fix my life, they wouldn't grant me some almightly enlightment or a path to salvation or make me belive. It is simply the words of christ, it is what he did and what he said that in the end matter. Bones would not make me belive in him, I would believe in his existance sure but what he taught and what he did and the lessons of life we learn from him are not in the bones they are in the words. And don't blame religious wars on religion blame it on religious extremists, you may say well if we didn't have religion we wouldn't have all this, but the fact remains that people would still end up believing in something even if its non-believing. Everyone is entitled to their belief and its only natrual that not everyones belief will be the same and you would once again end up with extremists of different beliefs fighting each other. The solution is not to get rid of religion to stop the wars but to stop extremism, and this can be done without going to war, we just need to stop our extremists and there will be peace.] |
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| Athiestica | Apr 23 2006, 09:47 PM Post #55 |
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But don't you find that religion is just something to be used to explain the unkown? |
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| Calculators | Apr 23 2006, 09:50 PM Post #56 |
How very dare you
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it is one of many explanations of religion |
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| Athiestica | Apr 23 2006, 09:53 PM Post #57 |
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I think it is the main one though. |
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| Calculators | Apr 23 2006, 10:10 PM Post #58 |
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How very dare you
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stilla re many others though it is the one i believe in |
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| VincentDantes | Apr 23 2006, 10:39 PM Post #59 |
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You could argue that it is used to explain the unknown, its a valid arguement but not the whole bible does that only genesis and some parts. Christs teachings explain things in life we face today, how to live life, how to find happiness. Belief in science is easier because there are some things you can touch, smell, taste and see. But even science has its leap of faith. We only belive it more because we get a little taste of hard proof and beliving that which cannot be proofed is then easier. What I mean you learn in high school how the body works and how to disect a frog and thats real. But if you want to find out where we came from how the universe is created you get into things like quantum physics. But then you discover that it cannot be proved, and there is a missing factor "What happend before the Big Bang what was before it? Too answer that question you get a million different answers. Meaning they have no idea and they are just making a best guess." In the end science doesn't prove everything either there is always an unknown. But I choose to belive in Christ's teachings because Science only proves that which is material, and beliving in science doesn't make me happy, sure it can satisfy my need to know is this real and is that all there is. But it doesn't teach me how to be happy in life, it actualy make me lose hope makes me lose interest in living life. Realistically if we all belived in science even atheists without this slightest tiny whisper of a voice asking "Is that all there is, can it be really true? " Science would tell us yes thats all there is you are born you have sex you die. [to simplify it] If thats all there is according to science in life then what is the point of living it and we'd all have to kill ourselves. In the end the question we all must face weather nihlist, atheist, or believer in a great being then oneself weather you are Christian, Muslim or any other religion. That question is Do I want to be happy? What belief will bring me the most happiness? and What makes my life happier and more enjoyable, the fact that I don't belive in god because there is no hard proof, its not real its just made up. or the fact that if I belive in something greater then myself, and an afterlife? _____________________________________________________________ I'm speaking from having experienced both sides. I was born in Yugoslavia, my parents were both part of the communist party [I know some CP's will scoff at this], basically everyone in a young generation was part of the party. Now they were never extremists of it, they were brought up in the sort of enviroment. But my grandparents, as all grandparents still held on too religion and old beliefs and unlike Russian communism our communism allowed religion, unless you were in the communist party. Party members had to secretly baptise their children cuz it was looked down upon in the party. Err...I'm babbling on back on track: ok well my parents when we came here ,and when we were in Serbia followed Traditions and they belive in god but they are not very religious, but they still followed traditions that have been followed for hundreds upon hundreds of years since christianity was founded in Serbia. We are very stubborn people and its hard to part us from our core belifs. Anyways so I was brought up to follow traditions but was never taught a lot about god and all that, there was no bible study, so I picked up bits and pieces and put them together but I was too young to care or understand, for the lonest time my belief was I know theres something up there but I don't know what it is. I didn't really belive of follow religion. I was sort of an atheist, a couple of months ago I had an epiphany and started reading the bible after that and I gained my faith. But I've also discovered that I dislike the church, the church is just another institution and like any instituiton it is influenced by money and greed and its own ends and opinions. I belive in privately following the teachings of christ and not what the church tells you. But even then there is one priest that I admire and cling onto his every word like some little naive kid, because that man is on of those Great people where you can just feel a sort of aura of greatness around him. While some other priests I dislike yet I still show respect for them and do not hate of course. So those who are looking for belief, you may find it and you may not, those who aren't looking for it might just stumble accross it like I did. But remember one thing when it comes down to it to that decision do not base your belifs in God and Christ on institutions but only on the teachings of the book. Because it is words the convey ideas and lessons not bones and blood. |
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| VincentDantes | Apr 23 2006, 11:02 PM Post #60 |
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My dislike for the church stems from the fact that when the priest comes to bless the house as he leaves my dad gives him money. Because although its not a mandatory thing but you're socially pressured into giving him money. The priest that I admire and look up to when we first came here never took a single cent, and my dad donates the money and doesn't feel obliged to "pay" him, when he does come to do his job at our home. But other priests downright ask for the money I've even had one that counted it in front of us. When the subject of money came up his face lit up although he was trying to keep a face that said "oh its not important" but he was doing a terrible job of it. But realistically they too have to survive and pay bills and support their families [our priests can have families], so I understand that. I just think the church taints itself that way. |
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