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Alexander Litvinenko RIP
Topic Started: Nov 24 2006, 11:46 PM (417 Views)
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"You may succeed in silencing me, but that silence comes at a price.

"You have shown yourself to be as barbaric and ruthless as your most hostile critics have claimed."

"The howl of protest from around the world will reverberate Mr Putin in your ears for the rest of your life," the statement added.



Is Putin responsible for this, most awful death?




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Comrade Martin
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I could believe it. What can you really expect from Russian Imperialism? And like many Anti-Communists, ruthless assasinations of anyone - innocent or not - are almost a sport.
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I agree :(
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This is human nature.

To believe in something good, and to die at the hands of people who dont want change.
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And like many Anti-Communists, ruthless assasinations of anyone - innocent or not - are almost a sport.


Oh the irony, you do know commies killed more people than Nazis don't you? Ever heard of the purges?
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Comrade Martin
Nov 24 2006, 11:31 PM
I could believe it. What can you really expect from Russian Imperialism? And like many Anti-Communists, ruthless assasinations of anyone - innocent or not - are almost a sport.

and wasn't he killed using techniques developed under a communist (and imperialist) system???

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That I don't know but regardless it was a terrible way to go by all accounts! :huh:
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What about the wonman journalist who was murder in her apartment?
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Nov 25 2006, 09:53 AM
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And like many Anti-Communists, ruthless assasinations of anyone - innocent or not - are almost a sport.


Oh the irony, you do know commies killed more people than Nazis don't you? Ever heard of the purges?

It appears that a minimum of around 10 million deaths ( around 4 million by repression and around 6 million from famine) are attributable to the regime under Stalin.
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The USSR howls from beyond the grave.

What this killing is going to do is bring the true face of post-Soviet Russia to light. Now it's going to be woe to the one who says Russia was totally freed after the USSR broke up. The country is run by ex-Communists and the big corporations and crime bosses who deal with them. Has anything actually changed, despite all the rhetoric saying that things have changed?
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Arov
Nov 25 2006, 09:11 PM
The USSR howls from beyond the grave.

What this killing is going to do is bring the true face of post-Soviet Russia to light. Now it's going to be woe to the one who says Russia was totally freed after the USSR broke up. The country is run by ex-Communists and the big corporations and crime bosses who deal with them. Has anything actually changed, despite all the rhetoric saying that things have changed?

Seems not :(

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What about the wonman journalist who was murder in her apartment?
Very true fu

All this is doing is giving credence to their claims that the Russian Secret Service bombed those Apartments in Russia to give an excuse to go back to war in Chechnya.
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The CIA killed more human beings than the Nazis did.

And no, more people did not die under Stalin than under Hitler. There was actually a big debate here on this... Here are the facts:

-900,000 executions
-1.3 million deaths due to poor prison conditions

No numbers are recorded for the famines, with no evidence to back up the "millions of deaths" claim. However, if we wanted to be liberal about it, we might say maybe a million. To suppose first of all that a massive famine as that occured would make no sense when we understand that the population continued to grow at a normal, stable rate, which generally does not occur under conditions of famine. Secondly, the blame is not all to be rested on the government. When there is a famine anywhere else in the world, we don't blame the governments, particularly when nothing can be done. Collectivization was, undoubtedly, a necessity for the Soviet Union to avoid a greater famine than what occured, as Kulaks (farm owners who employed wage-labor) who owned a great portion of farmland, refused to sell grain to the Soviet government under the conditions that it was not paying enough money. Because industrial funding was too great to lend anything extra to the Kulaks, the decision was made that, to avoid famine, the farms must be nationalized and collectivized for greater efficiency. And indeed, this was initially a great success, as hoards were redistributed and farms became more modernized, but many Kulaks also destroyed their farms when they heard of the plan to forcibly collectivize, which is what caused the massive problem of having to reconstruct farms. The state, for the first time in its history, was asked to finance agriculture - something it had previously no concerns about funding. Not only a strain on the national economy, but a major disaster for the people who then had to be concerned with lower food stocks. The Soviet Union imported grain where it could to make up for losses, but there was indeed limited starvation throughout the Ukraine, primarily. Although no data was collected, most reputable sources agree that starvation was limited and isolated, not a widespread occurence, while malnutrition was a much larger problem.
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Comrade Martin
Nov 25 2006, 07:28 PM
The CIA killed more human beings than the Nazis did.

Now back this up.

You can't because there is not estimates or statistics on CIA deats but as for Nazis there are 6 million Jew deaths and not including from the war. I welcomed to the idea that the CIA did but please supply some kind of evidence.
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Comrade Martin
Nov 26 2006, 01:28 AM
The CIA killed more human beings than the Nazis did.

And no, more people did not die under Stalin than under Hitler. There was actually a big debate here on this... Here are the facts:

-900,000 executions
-1.3 million deaths due to poor prison conditions

No numbers are recorded for the famines, with no evidence to back up the "millions of deaths" claim. However, if we wanted to be liberal about it, we might say maybe a million. To suppose first of all that a massive famine as that occured would make no sense when we understand that the population continued to grow at a normal, stable rate, which generally does not occur under conditions of famine. Secondly, the blame is not all to be rested on the government. When there is a famine anywhere else in the world, we don't blame the governments, particularly when nothing can be done. Collectivization was, undoubtedly, a necessity for the Soviet Union to avoid a greater famine than what occured, as Kulaks (farm owners who employed wage-labor) who owned a great portion of farmland, refused to sell grain to the Soviet government under the conditions that it was not paying enough money. Because industrial funding was too great to lend anything extra to the Kulaks, the decision was made that, to avoid famine, the farms must be nationalized and collectivized for greater efficiency. And indeed, this was initially a great success, as hoards were redistributed and farms became more modernized, but many Kulaks also destroyed their farms when they heard of the plan to forcibly collectivize, which is what caused the massive problem of having to reconstruct farms. The state, for the first time in its history, was asked to finance agriculture - something it had previously no concerns about funding. Not only a strain on the national economy, but a major disaster for the people who then had to be concerned with lower food stocks. The Soviet Union imported grain where it could to make up for losses, but there was indeed limited starvation throughout the Ukraine, primarily. Although no data was collected, most reputable sources agree that starvation was limited and isolated, not a widespread occurence, while malnutrition was a much larger problem.

Right, let's take this apart piece by piece.

-There were up to 40 million killed in the purges. Not 2.2 million.

- 5-10 million starved in the famine, primarily in the Ukraine

- "continued to grow at a normal, stable rate" where have you pulled that from? Soviet records? The same propoganda that stated production targets had been exceeded in the five year plans?

- The blame does rest on the government because, due to collectivisation, they had control of all the food. When the Ukraine started asking for more independence, they starved them. Even if you don't believe that, which you'd be a bit stupid not to, there's still the paradox of the same amount of food going to everyone, yet somehow people in certain areas seemed to die of hunger, whereas people in good little communist areas didn't.

- Sorry to break it to you, but kulaks didn't exist, they were a class of people invented by Stalin as scapegoats to ruin the image of the (rather successful) NEP.

- "that starvation was limited and isolated, not a widespread occurence" Yes, limited to dissenting areas....

Commie Martin, you are "one of those completely unquestioning, devoted drudges on whom the stability of the Party depends". You are stupid and have been brainwashed by your silly hormones giving you rebellious anti-American tendecies. You are not a communist, you are a misled little child who hasn't grown up. You fail to realise that most people don't want the government to come in, take all their possessions and give them to lazy people. You are out of touch with reality and you apologise for dictators. You believe Cuba is a democracy for goodness sakes, how stupid can you get?
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A small fact here: 100,000 people died in building one dam in Stalins 5 year plans!
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On topic.

It's a pity that the russian secret service/secret police actualy kill people unlike under the Soviets when they used to give candy canes to children and help old ladies cross the road and carry peoples shopping home for them.
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Dupitable
Nov 26 2006, 04:21 PM
On topic.

It's a pity that the russian secret service/secret police actualy kill people unlike under the Soviets when they used to give candy canes to children and help old ladies cross the road and carry peoples shopping home for them.

You are taking the piss right?

Commie Martin hasn't had an effect on you has he?
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:wacko:

I was hoping to have a discussion on the current regime in russia...
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It's crap, like every regime before it. At least they are consistant.

And no PI your wrong. The USSR was a happy place. They had flowery meadows and rainbow skies, and rivers made of chocolate, where the children danced and laughed and played with gumdrop smiles.

And if you don't believe me I'll get you some soviet documents to prove it.
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Dupitable
Nov 26 2006, 08:55 PM
It's crap, like every regime before it. At least they are consistant.

And no PI your wrong. The USSR was a happy place. They had flowery meadows and rainbow skies, and rivers made of chocolate, where the children danced and laughed and played with gumdrop smiles.

And if you don't believe me I'll get you some soviet documents to prove it.

well commie martin would. :Laugh:
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