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| Topic Started: Nov 24 2006, 11:46 PM (420 Views) | |
| Love and Honour | Nov 24 2006, 11:46 PM Post #1 |
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Yes Sir; No Sir: 3 Bags Full Sir
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Is Putin responsible for this, most awful death? |
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| Comrade Martin | Dec 1 2006, 04:44 AM Post #61 |
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Make-Believe Man
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Old Zertaxia,
Look, all your pointless sarcasm aside, why can't you just prove your statement that 20 million people died in political repression and famine? I've even said (and proved) the deaths of about 2 million people, through execution and prison conditions. What evidence have you provided that any more than that have died? I said it before as well: I hate Stalin, I believe he was wrong and despicable, but I will never, under any circumstances, blame someone for things they did not do. Athestica,
This was not an execution of the ideal of Communism, but an excercize in an attempt to arrive there. It failed because the model was wrong, giving power to an elite of the workers who, by merit of being employed much as a different class altogether (similar to the labor aristocracy in Capitalism) and no longer as proletarians, became a new class (or more appropriately, a semi-class, sharing characteristics of both the Bourgeoisie and Proletariat) seeking reactionary ideals, which allowed them the ideas of slaughtering millions, repressing civil freedoms, etc. Only those working together (like a government) who would collectively support (a return to) Capitalism can support pointless mass murder, if history is any indication. Cuba is a modern example of what happens if the elite Party catches the mistake before being corrupted by power, essentially. No longer does the PCC have the right to control the state. Now, the people do, and still work at their job between National Assembly and local committee sessions. Cuba is rich in civil freedoms, miles ahead of most of both nearby hemispheres and especially in the Cariebbean. Lower Bowmania,
Ah, ha! You're on a VERY correct path here, sir, if I may say so. Read the reply to Athestica above. This might be worth debating. Pidgeon Island,
*Laughs.* By the way, do you happen to masturbate to an image of Ronald Reagan or Margaret Thatcher? Maybe on top of one another...? Arov,
I don't think what was forced had anything to do with altruism...
Certainly not. Pidgeon Island,
No, do you? That has absolutely nothing to do with the Communist theory for Socialism. Arov,
Indeed. Pidgeon Island,
You should go to Liberia, Zimbabwe, Nauru, Turkmenistan, the Cocos Islands, Zambia, East Timor, or Djibouti, where more than half of those nations' populations are unemployed. I'm sure they're all lazy. Or would you like to get even worse and claim its because they're not white?
Its called luck. She got an education, met the right people... I know women more ambitious than Rice who have achieved nothing. Luck is the only thing determining success or failure in Capitalism.
I'm all for giving disabled people jobs they are capable of doing. As it goes for Socialism, "from each according to their abilities, to each according to their deeds." Do what you can, get what you deserve. That's the motto. Only Capitalist economies are famous for "welfare state" models that give out many many unnecessary handouts.
See what Arov had to say about your "well, find another job" nonsense. Justice is called ensuring everyone has a future, that no one can fail absolutely and can learn from mistakes, that we all take responsibility for our lives and have opportunities to correct them. That no one must live their lives from wage-slaver to wage-slaver. That everyone is his own boss, and everyone else's boss. That everyone is free and equal before the law, and has an equal share of power and control in society as everyone else. Not one of those things is possible while Capitalism exists, and not one of those things is possible without Socialism. |
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| Old Zertaxia | Dec 1 2006, 07:09 AM Post #62 |
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The Ex-Speaker
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Comrade Martin, you are a very silly person. |
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| Dupitable | Dec 1 2006, 12:29 PM Post #63 |
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Oh thank god. I was here thinking that the Soviets were murdering bastards. But by proving they murdered 2 million people you have proved me wrong. Thanks C_M. |
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| Comrade Martin | Dec 2 2006, 04:31 AM Post #64 |
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See, this is why you people need to READ what I said. I've never denied they were evil and despicable. They turned Socialism in to a slaughterous base for a coming return to Capitalism. But if we're going to analyze their faults, we need to have concrete faults to analyze! If we start glossing over or magnifying the facts, we'll have a great deal of problems in our approach analyzing any and all problems. And because my goal is analyzing what went wrong, that's of utmost importance. |
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| Old Zertaxia | Dec 2 2006, 04:34 AM Post #65 |
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Nope. Commie Martin = Propaganda Old Zertaxia > Propaganda Old Zertaxia > Commie Martin? I knew I'd use math for something, someday... Oh, how I amuse myself... |
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| Dupitable | Dec 2 2006, 01:53 PM Post #66 |
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So you are saying that you want to see what went wrong in the USSR, and see if it can be changed. You could look at the other, better, communist countries that didn't have persecutions such as Cuba, no wait, forgot about the mass persecution of gays and the execution of thousands of prisoners how about China, no wait sorry, forgot about people being starved off their land during the cultural revolution Ok, they were bad examples North Korea, no damn it wait, forgot about the detention camps with mass torture and starvation. Vietnam maybe, no wait forgot that while they like to cry about Mai Lai, they commited some pretty atrocious war crimes themselves, such as biological warfare and the torture and murder of war criminals. Not to mention the detention camps after the war. Hmm, I am starting to spot a pattern with these communist countries. |
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| Comrade Martin | Dec 3 2006, 01:35 AM Post #67 |
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Exactly.
Cuba is rapidly becoming THE most liberal country towards gays in the Americas. Are you nuts? And here you go with nonsense claims about executions again! Ask yourself: If you can't prove it, WHY do you believe it? Cuba is a perfect example of what I am talking about. They do not have a Vanguard class in power, and they are not repressing civil rights (although there were limited infringements on such things before the late 80's). Cuba is a very different place than it once was, and is now a very vibrant, open, democratic society. You should read about it, as I have been doing, extensively.
The cultural revolution had nothing to do with agriculture... But that's beside the point. Modern China is a Capitalist hellhole which oppresses over a billion people.
I don't necessarily support the DPRK either, but the claims about camps, torture, and even starvation are nonexistant by merit of unprovenness (in the first two examples) and completely nonsense in the latter.
Biological warfare? What exactly did the Vietnamese have to use? I doubt it was ANYTHING equivalent to Agent Orange or napalm. I don't blame them for killing war criminals or torture of them, but I don't support such actions either. Not that the U.S. was any better at all in that conflict. Had the U.S. won, I don't doubt there'd be even more such camps. We ran such camps in Germany after WWII, you know. The Soviets did none of it.
Yeah, if you believe a bunch of unproven crap. lol, seriously, do you get your information from coloring books or something? |
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| Dupitable | Dec 3 2006, 02:05 AM Post #68 |
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No, from the academic books on the reading list in my Making of the South course at university. And regarding the N Korean camps, I have seen footage of them which was smuggled to S Korea and Japan. |
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| Comrade Martin | Dec 3 2006, 04:09 AM Post #69 |
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Can you provide quote from these books that are even related to these topics? And where they are getting their informaiton?
Can I see this footage? I've seen plenty of movies on the subject of the DPRK, most of it crap (I even have one lengthy one critiques on my MySpace.) I have seen real ones, but they often blow situations out of proportion (like a train conductor shouting at a passenger who did not have a ticket) or add information that is unlikely or impossible to prove (people are sitting at a train station, so the narrator says that they've all waited for hours because of fuel shortages - patience obviously not being a virtue amongst Koreans.) Be critical, my friend, and stop accepting everything at face value. |
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| Dupitable | Dec 3 2006, 03:57 PM Post #70 |
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I trust the japanese government more than I trust you. |
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| Love and Honour | Dec 3 2006, 05:14 PM Post #71 |
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Yes Sir; No Sir: 3 Bags Full Sir
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:wacko: I think you missed CMs point... |
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| Dupitable | Dec 3 2006, 05:43 PM Post #72 |
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No I understood he was saying one should 'read between the lines' and see if it could be interpreted as something else. But you can do that with anything, hell, you could do it with films of the holocaust. |
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| Old Zertaxia | Dec 3 2006, 05:57 PM Post #73 |
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commie lover |
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| Love and Honour | Dec 3 2006, 06:09 PM Post #74 |
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Yes Sir; No Sir: 3 Bags Full Sir
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Old Z I thing you will be hard pushed to find a post where I agree with CM on this I am just pointing out that he missed the point. |
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| Dupitable | Dec 3 2006, 06:10 PM Post #75 |
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Which I didn't. |
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| Love and Honour | Dec 3 2006, 06:18 PM Post #76 |
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Yes Sir; No Sir: 3 Bags Full Sir
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Sorry I just thought by your reply you had! |
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| Dupitable | Dec 3 2006, 06:34 PM Post #77 |
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Did you read my second reply? |
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| Love and Honour | Dec 3 2006, 07:46 PM Post #78 |
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Yes Sir; No Sir: 3 Bags Full Sir
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I was referring to this reply
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| Dupitable | Dec 3 2006, 09:12 PM Post #79 |
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Yes but I explained what I meant in the second reply, as I can see how that would seem to display a misunderstanding of the point on my behalf. |
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| Love and Honour | Dec 3 2006, 09:27 PM Post #80 |
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Yes Sir; No Sir: 3 Bags Full Sir
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Whatever
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