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| Topic Started: Dec 1 2006, 11:36 AM (432 Views) | |
| Old Zertaxia | Dec 1 2006, 11:36 AM Post #1 |
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The Ex-Speaker
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15982036/ I have a terrorist rating. |
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| Love and Honour | Dec 3 2006, 10:15 PM Post #21 |
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Yes Sir; No Sir: 3 Bags Full Sir
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Drat I'm drinking too much wine LoL fixing it now
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| Old Zertaxia | Dec 3 2006, 10:23 PM Post #22 |
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The Ex-Speaker
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Do you know what you are when you stay at home and drink while chatting on the computer? An alcoholic. (or at least thats what I'm told) |
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| Love and Honour | Dec 3 2006, 10:40 PM Post #23 |
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Yes Sir; No Sir: 3 Bags Full Sir
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Don't believe all your told my good man.
Anyway PI is an anarchist, what about that :lol:
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| Pidgeon Island | Dec 3 2006, 10:43 PM Post #24 |
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Not so stale.
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I'm not an anarchist L+H, you could probably call what I think anarcho-capitalism. I see governments primarily as sleazy crooks who want to take my money and give it to themselves, drug addicts, lazy people, idiots, other countries, failing businesses, people who sleep around too much, basically the dregs of society. If I were an anarchist I would believe in the abolition of businesses, and I don't want to do that. The only problem I can see with true anarcho-capitalism is that people would be able to steal and kill people etc., and obviously we can't have that, so maybe a set of laws that everyone must adhere to which are enforced by private business and can be changed by a referendum which people need to pay for tohave a right to take part in (it would only cost a few quid). |
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| Love and Honour | Dec 3 2006, 10:53 PM Post #25 |
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Yes Sir; No Sir: 3 Bags Full Sir
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What a load of tosh. What, you sir, believe in is complete hogwash. I don't agree with Capitalism but can see the logic behind it. However that system of your is mumbo Jumbo and what I'd expect from a 10 year old child.
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| Pidgeon Island | Dec 3 2006, 11:10 PM Post #26 |
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Not so stale.
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I think you're mistaking it for socialism there, L+H Of course it'd never work in today's political climate, but one can only hope. I have a deep mistrust of the government in any form, and I honestly think they're a bunch of crooks, the system that I believe in promotes pure capitalism, and that is a lot fairer than stealing money from people, calling this theft tax, and giving the money to the lowest of the low, people that don't want to work, people that are in prison, people that ought to be in prison, etc. Want to know why I have a mistrust of the government? Because it's spent far too much. I live in a poor area of the fourth poorest city in the UK or somewher around that. I live in a private house, but my next door neighbour is a council house, not a single member of that family has ever worked, although they are perfectly capable of, they have been in prison for drug dealing, football violence and a lot of other things. When I came home the other day, I noticed a flat screen LCD widescreen TV in theirliving room, which the government had paid for using my family's tax. Want another example? The Iraq war. Billions spent on it for no reason, there's no clear end in sight and it's costing millions each day, all from tax. Now what are the government going to do? They're not going to increase tax, no, that would look bad and lose them the next election, not, they're going to create more taxes. This pay-per -mile car travel thing. It's just tax, it's going to put a stop to business, less well off people won't be able to afford a car, that'll hurt business beause there'll be less cars being sold. To make it even worse, not even 10% of the money raised from this hair-brained scheme will go towards making public transport better. Instead it will go towards some people that I couldn't care less about in Iraq, and some bastards nearer home, in fact, right next to home. There is going to be a new class system arriving in the next few years, hard working people will be the lower class, and the wealthier class will be the drug-addict thugs who have never done a day's work in their life, but who can fill in a form to get £30,000 per year off the government, to get the money of the hard-working people. Is that fair L+H? No, but what I believe in is. |
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| Love and Honour | Dec 3 2006, 11:54 PM Post #27 |
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Yes Sir; No Sir: 3 Bags Full Sir
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Maybe if you look about you will see some benefits of tax, Get sick and you might just be glad NC and Dipes and the millions of other tax payers are paying up. Of course you right there is waste and abuse but the remedy you subscribe is infantile in the extreme! What say the other Conservatives in this fine region, is PIs myopic view of Government one you subscribe to? |
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| Pidgeon Island | Dec 4 2006, 12:05 AM Post #28 |
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Not so stale.
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Why should I pay for their healthcare and why should they pay for mine? A lot of people bring their illness on themselves by over-eating or smoking or something. |
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| Estion | Dec 4 2006, 12:12 AM Post #29 |
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Persistent
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In your ideal world, PI, would corporations be responsible for maintenance of law and order? If you lose your hand working at the auto plant, for instance, would you want your corporate employer to be the one responsible for the maintenance of courts of law? If Ford or GM were responsible for maintaining the police, would you feel any safer, or any more confident that those in power were subject to the law? Or, look at it another way. Medieval law was characterized by its promulgation and enforcement at the local level by feudal authority or village custom. Modern society increasingly required a formal state entity to intercede and mediate the conflicts, disputes, and interactions between citizens. After all, what recourse does the hypothetical man who loses his hand in auto plant machinery have without the intercession of the state through courts of law? Modern society produces numerous free market outcomes that we find socially or morally inacceptable. I certainly understand where your libertarian impulse comes from. I am, incidentally, a capitalist myself (though evidently for different reasons than you). I think you are neglecting the large impact of situational forces in your assessment, however. It's easy to criticize the impoverished and the destitute, and to call them lazy, stupid, drug-addicts, prostitutes, and so on. It's worth acknowledging, of course, that many successful people can and do belong to any of these categories, but that is beside the point. Is the child born into a wealthy, suburban household not more likely to receive a high quality education, attend university, secure a high-paying job, and otherwise lead a "successful" life than the one born on a truck farm in the rural South, whose parents cannot afford to feed him sufficiently, who must stay home from school frequently to care for his sick siblings, and who cannot get a higher education? Naturally, there are exceptions (Condi Rice was noted as one earlier), but I doubt you'll argue that the first child I described is far more likely to "succeed" in your estimation than the second, and it is entirely reasonable that no fault of the second child's is to blame for his misfortune, save the bad luck of being born who and where he was. You might like John Rawls' "A Theory of Justice" if you have any interest in these issues. |
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| Old Zertaxia | Dec 4 2006, 12:36 AM Post #30 |
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everytime someone writes anarchist i see anti-christ... |
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| Dupitable | Dec 4 2006, 01:22 AM Post #31 |
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How do you like THAT side boob?
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OK PI put it like this. In two years I am planning to go to Sandhurst. Why the fruitcage should I put my life on the line to save someone who won't even pay some of his earnings towards helping those who cannot help themselves. Or if we are going to put it another way. I was born to two working class parents. Six of us lived in a three bedroom house. Suffice to say we were fairly poor. Had there been no state school, it is entirely likely that I would have A: not gone to school B: gone to a grossly substandard underfunded school I am now in university and after that headed to (touch wood) become an officer in the British Army. A fairly fucking prestigious title. Do you really think that would have been possible had my parents had to pay for schooling that they realisticaly couldn't afford? |
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| Love and Honour | Dec 4 2006, 01:28 AM Post #32 |
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Yes Sir; No Sir: 3 Bags Full Sir
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Or in PIs case Asshole Only kidding PI but your ideas are, however, fairly STUPID! |
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| Estion | Dec 4 2006, 01:40 AM Post #33 |
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I sense something of a kindred spirit in Dupitable on this issue. That and he keeps my "badger raping" quote in the public eye. |
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| Old Zertaxia | Dec 4 2006, 01:42 AM Post #34 |
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Oh, if only you had been French. A colossal joke opportunity that is never to be. How sad for the world today.... |
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| fighter4u | Dec 4 2006, 03:11 AM Post #35 |
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our land is fill with blood may our people know only love.....
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The canadian goverment under harper is really starting to scare me.Harper most likely take the bills bush sign and stamp made in canada on them. |
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| Estion | Dec 4 2006, 03:23 AM Post #36 |
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But does he add a signing statement? |
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| VincentDantes | Dec 4 2006, 07:11 AM Post #37 |
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Independant by Cynicism
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The conservatives only won because of the negative add campaign that was bored into the Canadian populace against the Liberals. The funny thing in both Canada and US no matter who you vote for you lose. Thats why I don't vote they are all corrupt jackasses and voting for them just gives them encouragement. When bad shit happens I feel no regret because I didn't vote for the bastard. But on the topic of P.I. little umm idea. You obviously haven't thought both side of your argument through and you have seemingly based your theory on emotions rather than logic. As U-Ropa pointed out in the past I'm not the best authority on logic but even I can see the holes in your theory. First of all a governments business no matter how corrupt they are is its 'people', it's a tug of war between trying to stay in power by furthering your own goals while keeping the populace from flat out destroying you. Usually your goal is make the majority content or have a false sense of happiness but either way works for you. The goal of a business, a corporation isn't people, its money. For them its a tug of war between trying to get as much profit as possible without flat out killing its customers. So really their goal is money not people. People are just the source of money. Generally both of the above seem to be split in half by balancing people and money. The subtle difference is that the government puts people first [but not by much] so that they can get their money for themselves but also for the people. While corporations put money above people by a larger margin. Usually just high enough to keep people from getting into serious harm. Yet their goals are always personal gain/money. Not people. Although not a fan of capitalist democracy. I'd rather have a collection of psychopaths that balance their own need for money with helping the people out because they know if the don't they won't keep their job for long. Then corporate leaders who are also psychopaths but know that anything short of a revolution won't make them lose their jobs and they can just keep taking money from me without consequences. |
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| Pidgeon Island | Dec 4 2006, 09:00 AM Post #38 |
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Not so stale.
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Do you people miss the point? I am poor, I could trundle myself down to the local council offices and get some money off them any time I wanted, but I don't want to. I want to opportunity to suceed. That's what I dislike about left-wingers, they see someone in the situation I've grown up in and say. You need a better quality of life, let's give you some money. I see myself and know I can do better, I'd rather get that money through hard-work and intelligence, and that does pay off. I'm by no means rich, my household income is not much over £15,000/year, but I go to the best independent school in the local area. How is that? It's because I was smart enough and worked-hard enough to get a scholarship, and I intend to do the same thing again when I go to university. Maybe you're not intelligent enough to get a good education through a scholarship, but then again, why do you even need an education, you could just work on a farm or in a factory. |
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| Love and Honour | Dec 4 2006, 10:57 AM Post #39 |
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Yes Sir; No Sir: 3 Bags Full Sir
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Sometimes your arrogance is on display just a little too much! And what has your economic siuitation got to do with you "Plan". If you can't see the (obvious to everyone else here) flaws then I question the quality of intelligence you purport to have. And passing exams is not the only measure for this you know! |
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| Uropa | Dec 4 2006, 05:11 PM Post #40 |
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Render unto Caesar
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HA! That's a good one. |
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