Speaker of the People's Assembly and World Assembly Delegate Pidgeon Island Members of the Committee TBA World Assembly Delegate Angusp (aka Bodegraven) High General of the GRADF Joe Bobs |
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| Topic Started: Dec 1 2006, 11:36 AM (431 Views) | |
| Old Zertaxia | Dec 1 2006, 11:36 AM Post #1 |
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The Ex-Speaker
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15982036/ I have a terrorist rating. |
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| Old Zertaxia | Dec 4 2006, 05:14 PM Post #41 |
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The Ex-Speaker
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your and situation LH, darling. I dunno about titles and all that. I think there's something to be said of the life of a farmer or craftsman... |
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| fighter4u | Dec 4 2006, 05:23 PM Post #42 |
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our land is fill with blood may our people know only love.....
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Actually in the election before last.Everybody voted for the liberals to stop the conservatives from winning.But then the liberals get caught doing illgeal handlings of money(like what goes on on captial hill any day of the week) and the goverment falls. Now the next election comes around.All the same wackos as usually vote for the conservatives.But this time instead of everybody voting for the liberals to keep the conservatives out.People were like fuck this.I voting for the NDP.So the NDP won huge amount of seats(well a huge amount for them anyway) and the conservatives mange to slip through with the most seats.The only reason why their goverment hadn't fallen is because canada doesn't weant another election already and because the liberals are only getting a leader now.Leaders who I really question. The thing is the U.S you only got 2 partys to vote for.In Canada it a freaking war between 4 or 5 partys. |
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| Pidgeon Island | Dec 4 2006, 06:41 PM Post #43 |
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Not so stale.
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What? I'm keeping it real. If you want to go and tell idiots that they're valued members of society then go and do it, but they aren't exactly valued to me. If they were smart, they'd realise that they would better contribute by working the famrs etc. But they feel they should be doing the smart-people jobs I know it sounds harsh but they just don't need an education if they can't take full advantage of it, they'd be of more value to society working machinery than being in board meetings. My economic situation has a lot to do with my plan. It highlights the flaws in yours because you think that everyone under a certain income should be given money. That doesn't solve anything. We need to teach them to sustain themselves, not sustain them ourselves. Yes my plan has a few minor flaws that could be easily ironed out if it ever got implemented, but yours has so many inaccuracies and holes in it, it could pass itself off as a Harry Potter book. |
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| Love and Honour | Dec 4 2006, 07:05 PM Post #44 |
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Yes Sir; No Sir: 3 Bags Full Sir
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OK I give up and would like to know what your on about :wacko: |
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| Love and Honour | Dec 4 2006, 07:13 PM Post #45 |
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Yes Sir; No Sir: 3 Bags Full Sir
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Everybody who is contributing to society is valued. Inc. Factory workers, cleaners and people working in MacDonald's and your value system needs to be removes from that dark place it seems to have migrated to. My Plan, I have no plan, I (and it appears most everybody else here) just think your plan is a load of soft smelly stuff that you occasionally tread in. And to be honest your dismissal to the scrap heap of society everyone who can't measure up to your bar smells of Fascism! |
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| Dupitable | Dec 4 2006, 07:27 PM Post #46 |
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How do you like THAT side boob?
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Hell I am a subscriber to social darwinism, but I still think your plan is crappy PI. |
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| Estion | Dec 4 2006, 07:38 PM Post #47 |
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Persistent
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To be fair, LH, that's not really fascism, though your point is well-taken. |
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| Pidgeon Island | Dec 4 2006, 07:44 PM Post #48 |
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Not so stale.
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Yeah, but you see, idiots think that they should be entitled to education when they don't need it, and what's more, they expect the taxpayer to foot the bill. If they'd just accept it doesn't matter if they're illiterate, they can just clean forever, then hell taxes would plummet, and if they did want to work their way up, they could teach themself, or go to a charity and ask them to pay for their education, but why should I have to pay for some stupid prat who thinks that they're "too cool for school" and does nothing but disrupt lessons for people that want to learn?
Ah yeas, the old left-wing retort, call anyone whose views differ from yours a fascist just because you can't think up a valid argument. Silly silly person. I'm quite happy to sit here and debate you, but you just seem to want to call me a fascist. Shouting that at people proves nothing. Can you imagine someone getting up at PMQs and shouting at the prime minister "Your plans are fascist!" without giving any reason why they are? No. It just wouldn't happen, you need to learn these skills or you'll get left behind when the uber-capitalist revolution comes along. |
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| Dupitable | Dec 4 2006, 08:47 PM Post #49 |
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How do you like THAT side boob?
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Actualy no your plan is strongly resonating with social Darwinist factors. Possibly a main part of facism. |
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| Love and Honour | Dec 4 2006, 10:29 PM Post #50 |
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Yes Sir; No Sir: 3 Bags Full Sir
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I have debated with many people here and never called anyone a fascist before and to be fair I said you views smell like fascism. If he/she was a fascist then yes I bet they would call then that. Lets cut to the chase PI why not advocate sterilising all those undesirables that so trouble you, hell include the disabled and anyone who drains the public purse. In a Generation we will breed out the degenerative element that is dragging down the Human race. Wait but wouldn't that need organisation? But you plan has no Government! I fail to see how an Intelligent person could advocate such a crazy plan and so I am left with only one scenario Lets put it to a test. Is their anyone else that subscribes to the PI plan for Government? Anyone that will help him or are we all (as in PIs mind anyone who disagree with him) silly silly people? |
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| Obana4 | Dec 4 2006, 10:31 PM Post #51 |
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Intelligence has nothing to do with politics.
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There are days, like today, when my knees hurt so bad I can't even make it to the car to get home. And I wish I could go on welfare and sit at home or only work a part time job, but unfortunately I am not eligible here in Mich. So those people who are sitting and living off the gov't look a little closer and maybe you will see they to have problems and are the lucky ones who are eligible. |
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| Pidgeon Island | Dec 4 2006, 10:39 PM Post #52 |
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Not so stale.
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Why would I sterilise people L+H, that's cruel, we just make them second class citizens, or rather, they bcemoe that naturally, we don't do anything. Also I doubt any business would be willing to pay for such a scheme, and if they did they would be stupid to because it would a. cost them too much money and b. lose them their supply of cheap labour. |
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| Pidgeon Island | Dec 4 2006, 10:44 PM Post #53 |
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Not so stale.
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and I'm not talking about diabled people, I'm not that heartless. They can be helped by charities. |
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| Obana4 | Dec 4 2006, 10:59 PM Post #54 |
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Intelligence has nothing to do with politics.
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The people who need the most help are those of us called the working poor. And don't say get a better job because that is not a possibility. I have a coworker who makes only $10.50/hr and has to support 2 kids. Try doing that. And college cost money, even a community college will cost about $ 5000 yr. And scholarships are only for those who play sports. We are the ones who need gov't help. |
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| Pidgeon Island | Dec 4 2006, 11:19 PM Post #55 |
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Scholarships only for those who play sport? My advise is to find a more acedemic school. And don't you read? I live in a low-income house, my mother works full time just over 40 hours per week, we could go out and get government mney, but we believe that it would be wrong, because we don't deserve it, my mum accepts that she made bad decisions (eg not going to university) and that's why we have no money, we get by alright though and I'm thankful that she's on a low income, because it makes me work harder and gives me something to work towards and it's taught me how to work in the real world instead of some naff middle-class bubble that all my friends live in. Now I've worked hard and I've reaped the benefits of hard-work, I go to one of the top 50 independent schools in the country and I want to go to oxford, that will put me in debt and it already has put my family in debt, but it's an investment, I'll get a good paying job and pay it all back. I have little or no sypathy for people that sit there all day and moan "I work so hard and get no pay". Maybe if you'd put a bit more work in, maybe if you enrolled in a night class and got a basic vocational qualification or something then you'd get a better paying job, but doing nothing but moaning about it will get you nowhere. And to be honest, $10.50/hour, I don't know what the average wage is in the US, but that adds up to about $22,000, and £22k in Britain would put you on easy street compared to me. |
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| Uropa | Dec 4 2006, 11:24 PM Post #56 |
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Render unto Caesar
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*raises an eyebrow* is that true? |
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| Uropa | Dec 4 2006, 11:25 PM Post #57 |
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Render unto Caesar
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What we need is a good fucking war, where all the poor can be marched off as canon fodder - maybe Dupitable can lead them over the top... |
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| Old Zertaxia | Dec 4 2006, 11:39 PM Post #58 |
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*lives in a middle-class bubble* I think I could get behind that idea U-ropa. And anyway, the whole I'm-poorer-and-more-marginalized-by-the-government-arguement is a little old. I'm sure both of your lives are not easy. But then again, the majority of people's lives aren't. Yah, I'm sure your pain sucks there Obana, and PI I'm sure you and you're family has struggled or whatever... ...but then again, you could have been born in a world with an 18% infant mortality rate, where you (PI) can expect to have lived half your life already, where Obana4 is approaching what is locally considered 'old-age', where the water can kill you.....like Angola.... I'm not an uncompassionate person. But neither do I waste my sympathy on those who, especially in comparision with a large part of the world's population, don't deserve it. |
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| Pidgeon Island | Dec 4 2006, 11:40 PM Post #59 |
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Yeah on the fascism thing. From wikipedia: Fascism is a radical political ideology that combines elements of: corporatism - Possibly it could be described as such, but it still involves some sort of government authoritarianism - Probably not nationalism - I hate my country, it screws me over militarism - I'm pro-life, how can I possibly support the military? anti-liberalism - No anti-communism - Who isn't? So you can see, from 6 possible points, i scored positievely on one, negatively on 3 and unsure on two. How can you describe me as a fascist? |
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| Love and Honour | Dec 4 2006, 11:45 PM Post #60 |
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Yes Sir; No Sir: 3 Bags Full Sir
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Now Now Uropa we all know your a conservative (small c) and so you are unlikely to subscribe to the nuts plan
B) PI you are the nut I refer to :angry: |
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