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Why NY is even more of a shithole...
Topic Started: Dec 5 2006, 05:52 PM (545 Views)
Old Zertaxia
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16051436/

Unbelievable.
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Pidgeon Island
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Not so stale.
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If I want my fat I'll damn well get it.
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Old Zertaxia
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My feelings exactly.
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I can take it you two also disagree with age restrictions on the purchase of Alcohol, & Cigarettes then. And the proscribing of Cocaine, heroin etc. Also having sex underage?

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Old Zertaxia
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1. Unlike alcohol and cigarettes, darling, you'd know, if you could read, that this isn't a limit. Its an outright ban. Alcohol is banned because it is potentially harmful to others. I AM against age restrictions on Cigarettes because they are pointless. If people want to kill themselves thats fine. I am for public somking bans, though. If you want to kill yourself, fine, its just that I have the right to not be taken down with you.

2. Illicit drugs are also potentially harmful to others. People can hurt others under the influence. If it wasn't the case, again, I don't care what you do to yourself. If cocaine and heroin didn't cause potential danger to other people, I wouldn't care if it was illegal or not.

3. Underage sex? I really don't see how this even compares with the goverment dictating your diet.
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Dec 5 2006, 03:17 PM
I can take it you two also disagree with age restrictions on the purchase of Alcohol, & Cigarettes then. And the proscribing of Cocaine, heroin etc. Also having sex underage?

I take it you really don't give a fuck about individual freedoms, commie loving socialist?
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L+H, it's my right, nay, my duty to eat food that could kill me because it tastes so damn nice.

I don't want to government telling me what to eat or drink, I want me, and if I choose to disregard everything scientists say, then that's my right as well.
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It really isn't a fair comparison, LH. This is a very different means of regulating individual behavior than prescriptions on smoking, alcohol use, or underage sex.

You all ought to take a look at Pelman v. McDonalds if you have a chance.
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OMG! what was I on when I made that last post, it makes no sense... I feel the need to apologise for talking such crap.

But I stand by my view, if I want to eat fat, then I should bloody well be able to. (And I do want to eat fat)
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:P

My point is that Government make rules to protect us from harm all the time.

Where I live smoking where people work is illegal. Under 16s can't buy cigarettes, under 18 can't buy drink.

Old Z good to see you support the banning of smoking because it can harm others. Old Z should drink be banned altogether for the same reason?

Should we allow toxins to be put in food as long as people are informed? Of course not we make laws as our knowledge improves of potential harm and this is just an example of this.

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I agree with L&H. But then our countries have similar publicaly suported laws I believe.

It doesn't seem like they are trying to ban fat in general just a particularly unhealthy brand of fat.

Though on a similar note, is it true that in some US states you can't legaly make hagis because some of the ingrediants are not allowed to be sold for human consumption.

Whats the world coming to when you can't eat 100 grams of sheep lung whith your chips (fries, whatever)
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I agree with Old Z ( I believe that is about twice now) My gov't should worry about more important things than the fat in my diet. I like me and all my fatness and I want all the sugar and fat foods I can get.
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Old Zertaxia
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Dec 5 2006, 06:43 PM
My point is that Government make rules to protect us from harm all the time.

Where I live smoking where people work is illegal. Under 16s can't buy cigarettes, under 18 can't buy drink.

Old Z good to see you support the banning of smoking because it can harm others. Old Z should drink be banned altogether for the same reason?

Should we allow toxins to be put in food as long as people are informed? Of course not we make laws as our knowledge improves of potential harm and this is just an example of this.

LH, I would support a ban on drinking because of its affects on other people, but thats slightly different. If I drink next to you, its highly unlikely you are going to be the cause of an accident or that you're going to get cirrhosis of the liver. However, if I smoke next to you, thats a different matter.

Technically, I would be against a blanket ban on smoking. If you want to smoke by yourself in your own home, I wouldn't be against that, seeing as you're only killing yourself.

The point is, the government protects you from being harmed by other people. They have no right to tell you that you can't hurt yourself.


I disagree with your last question. If people are informed about toxins in food and still choose to eat, who are YOU (or the government) to tell people they can't eat it?

You can tell them its bad, that they'll die, that it'll send them to hell, whatever. Its simply not your place (or the government's) to tell people what to do with their own lives.
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Dec 5 2006, 07:27 PM
I like me and all my fatness and I want all the sugar and fat foods I can get.

Right on!
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LH, I would support a ban on drinking because of its affects on other people, but thats slightly different. If I drink next to you, its highly unlikely you are going to be the cause of an accident or that you're going to get cirrhosis of the liver. However, if I smoke next to you, thats a different matter.


You need to get out more on a Saturday night and see how "civil" people are with a lot of drink in :Laugh:
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<---- is under twenty-one. Means no alcohol for me.


Doesn't change the fact that if you use alcohol in moderation, as you're supposed to, its not going to kill you or the people you drink around (unless you do something stupid, like drive. doing something stupid, drunk or not, can kill people). Smoking will.
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It's worth noting that the NYC ban is in large part responsive to quickly-expanding popular demand. If this is a law the people of New York sincerely don't want, it won't last. Take a look at the history of the temperance movement and Prohibition in the US for a (sort of) parallel example.
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You need to get out more on a Saturday night and see how "civil" people are with a lot of drink in
I never said you had to be the one drinking and it helps in this experiment if your not!

Drink hasa a nasty habit of drawing you in and wanting more :Cheers:
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Dec 5 2006, 08:09 PM
It's worth noting that the NYC ban is in large part responsive to quickly-expanding popular demand. If this is a law the people of New York sincerely don't want, it won't last. Take a look at the history of the temperance movement and Prohibition in the US for a (sort of) parallel example.

Are you suggesting that every law ever passed in every democracy was supported by a majority of its voters?


And while you do have a point, the main discussion is whether government should/does have the power to make such a judgement.
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If you were really fat and got stcuk in an escalator or a lift (elavator to you yanks) you could screw up some peoples day. Or you could like make a boat sink, or the axels on a car break and cause it to kill a bunch of people...

possibly.
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