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Why NY is even more of a shithole...
Topic Started: Dec 5 2006, 05:52 PM (551 Views)
Old Zertaxia
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16051436/

Unbelievable.
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Old Zertaxia
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Dec 5 2006, 08:54 PM
If you were really fat and got stcuk in an escalator or a lift (elavator to you yanks) you could screw up some peoples day. Or you could like make a boat sink, or the axels on a car break and cause it to kill a bunch of people...

possibly.

Mmmmhmmmm.
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Obana4
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I'm not that fat...just a bit large. :D And isn't that why there are weight limits on most things like elevators and boats and such...So just put a limit on the fat content. McD's has already gotten rid of supersize stuff and went to all white chicken, in fact their whole menu has changed to better ingredients. But not all of us are fat or overweight or in need of watching our diet. So why should they be punished because of the fat people.

As for alcohol my weight was well under control when I was drinking. Maybe the gov't should do a study on alcohol and weight. That way we can have our fatty fries only served with alcohol instead of coke!!
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Verusea
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Im glad something's being done. This country is getting too stupid, too fat and too ignorant. Stuff needs to change, and now. This ban is a start, and more need to be implemented. No cigarettes. No alcohol. No cocaine. No marijuana. No underage sex. All of these need to be banned. We can do without them. And we will.
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Old Zertaxia
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Dec 5 2006, 10:10 PM
Im glad something's being done. This country is getting too stupid, too fat and too ignorant. Stuff needs to change, and now. This ban is a start, and more need to be implemented. No cigarettes. No alcohol. No cocaine. No marijuana. No underage sex. All of these need to be banned. We can do without them. And we will.

That is the completely wrong reason to ban or discourage any and all of those things you mentioned.

If people wanna be fat, stupid, and ignorant it is clearly within their rights to do so.



Thats the problem with a lot of people, all over the world. They feel they have the right to tell people how to live their lives.
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Pidgeon Island
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How does being fat make you stupid or ignorant?
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Verusea
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No,no, no. They dont go hand in hand. People in America are fat and stupid. They dont become stupid from being fat.
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Estion
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Another point worth noting: violating this ban is punishable by something like a $200 fine. If the public demand to eat trans fats is legitimately strong, restaurants have the option of using trans fats and internalizing some of the public costs of their use. Hence, this is a change of incentives designed to alter a market outcome (the undeniably unhealthy use of trans fats) that we find increasingly unacceptable and which is readily ameliorated with the use of substitutes or by internalizing the social costs of the activity (by paying the fines).

Apropos of my earlier point in this thread, to which Old Z replied. Without discussing the relative merits of government action on this or any other point, I remain confident that, if this measure is truly not what the people want, then government will be responsive to that demand. Government action in these cases can be "sticky," meaning that it is often slow to respond to changing public demand (unless that change is sudden or extreme), but elected government rarely ignores public will on this sort of issue indefinitely (for the simple reason that, if people are pissed off enough about it, they can elect politicians willing to rescind the law).
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Dupitable
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As for alcohol my weight was well under control when I was drinking. Maybe the gov't should do a study on alcohol and weight.


I take it you have never heard the term 'beer belly'.
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Northern Chittowa
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Verusea
Dec 6 2006, 03:10 AM
Im glad something's being done. This country is getting too stupid, too fat and too ignorant. Stuff needs to change, and now. This ban is a start, and more need to be implemented. No cigarettes. No alcohol. No cocaine. No marijuana. No underage sex. All of these need to be banned. We can do without them. And we will.

Good luck with that...
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Old Zertaxia
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Dec 6 2006, 07:54 AM
Another point worth noting: violating this ban is punishable by something like a $200 fine. If the public demand to eat trans fats is legitimately strong, restaurants have the option of using trans fats and internalizing some of the public costs of their use. Hence, this is a change of incentives designed to alter a market outcome (the undeniably unhealthy use of trans fats) that we find increasingly unacceptable and which is readily ameliorated with the use of substitutes or by internalizing the social costs of the activity (by paying the fines).

Apropos of my earlier point in this thread, to which Old Z replied. Without discussing the relative merits of government action on this or any other point, I remain confident that, if this measure is truly not what the people want, then government will be responsive to that demand. Government action in these cases can be "sticky," meaning that it is often slow to respond to changing public demand (unless that change is sudden or extreme), but elected government rarely ignores public will on this sort of issue indefinitely (for the simple reason that, if people are pissed off enough about it, they can elect politicians willing to rescind the law).

Sorry if I don't share your confidence in the system and the government.
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Obana4
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I wasn't drinking beer. I was drinking vodka. A fifth a nite actually. during my college Years.
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Arov
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A little FYI:

Trans-fat does not exist in nature. It was created in a lab in the 20th century so supermarket foods could have a longer shelf-life. Then, in (I forgot what year), a Harvard study in order to find out how much trans-fat is needed by the body found that the body needed NONE of it, and that it was just excess fat that clogged ateries and gave the elderly more miserable years in a nursing home due to hert failure.

The purpose of food, perhaps even as God willed it, is to keep you alive longer rather than make you die faster. Let alone the only people trans-fat filled diets really help are the people who add it to food in order to cut costs.

And food will still taste the same without it though it may be a tad more expensive.

Am I in favor of this measure? Yes.

EDIT: Also, the cheaper foods have more trans-fat. This is why obesity affects poorer areas harder than richer areas. Wouldn't it just be nice if everyone just ate good-tasting food that didn't shorten your one life on earth, leaving it to demand to control prices rather than the prescence of a harmful chemical?
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Verusea
Dec 6 2006, 03:10 AM
Im glad something's being done. This country is getting too stupid, too fat and too ignorant. Stuff needs to change, and now. This ban is a start, and more need to be implemented. No cigarettes. No alcohol. No cocaine. No marijuana. No underage sex. All of these need to be banned. We can do without them. And we will.




Hold on there Mr. Falwell. No underage sex, no maryjane, and no alcohol...what are you out of your mind? Its one thing to go after It's one thing to got after cocaine and cigs but those three are off limits. Really there should be no ban on anything but somethigs are just to dangerous to the people that take them and to society.

You leave sex, alcohol and green alone.
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Old Zertaxia
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Arov
Dec 6 2006, 05:25 PM
A little FYI:

Trans-fat does not exist in nature. It was created in a lab in the 20th century so supermarket foods could have a longer shelf-life. Then, in (I forgot what year), a Harvard study in order to find out how much trans-fat is needed by the body found that the body needed NONE of it, and that it was just excess fat that clogged ateries and gave the elderly more miserable years in a nursing home due to hert failure.

The purpose of food, perhaps even as God willed it, is to keep you alive longer rather than make you die faster. Let alone the only people trans-fat filled diets really help are the people who add it to food in order to cut costs.

And food will still taste the same without it though it may be a tad more expensive.

Am I in favor of this measure? Yes.

EDIT: Also, the cheaper foods have more trans-fat. This is why obesity affects poorer areas harder than richer areas. Wouldn't it just be nice if everyone just ate good-tasting food that didn't shorten your one life on earth, leaving it to demand to control prices rather than the prescence of a harmful chemical?

Who is the government to tell us what to do with our lives? This ban violates my freewill by limiting my ability to choose.

If I fucking choose to eat trans-fat fried food or whatever, its my choice, not some government agent.
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Verusea
Dec 6 2006, 03:10 AM
Im glad something's being done. This country is getting too stupid, too fat and too ignorant. Stuff needs to change, and now. This ban is a start, and more need to be implemented. No cigarettes. No alcohol. No cocaine. No marijuana. No underage sex. All of these need to be banned. We can do without them. And we will.

Let's let them do away with voting too, free press, welfare, and freedom of speech, why not? We can do without those things, can we not? :rolleyes:
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Obana4
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I thought the gov't job was to protect me from foreign and domestic harm, not internal digestion. I believe this is overstepping and I'm sure someone will figure a way out of this. Like going to jersey for your french fries.
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Obana4
Dec 7 2006, 02:28 AM
Like going to jersey for your french fries.

*Jonewest smells a conspiracy...now the question is..who in jersey is benefiting from this? :huh: B)
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I see the view point that it limits your freedom and ability to choose..but whats so bad about limiting something that isn't necessary and does nothing good in any way possible to your body nor does it change the taste.

With the arguement you use you'd ask for the right to murder because you want to have that choice that freedom choose to murder or to rape.

There are plenty of examples when governments overstep their bounds by limiting freedoms and compared to the Patriot Act which is what you should be a lot more outraged about because it limits a lot more important freedoms than tran-fat oils.

Get your priorities straightened out.
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Old Zertaxia
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Dec 7 2006, 09:05 AM
I see the view point that it limits your freedom and ability to choose..but whats so bad about limiting something that isn't necessary and does nothing good in any way possible to your body nor does it change the taste.

With the arguement you use you'd ask for the right to murder because you want to have that choice that freedom choose to murder or to rape.

There are plenty of examples when governments overstep their bounds by limiting freedoms and compared to the Patriot Act which is what you should be a lot more outraged about because it limits a lot more important freedoms than tran-fat oils.

Get your priorities straightened out.

Please read all the posts in a topic before you make a judgement on other people.

If you did read (if you even can), you'd see that I support limits on activities that cause harm to other people. Like murder and rape. Idiot.

As far as the Patriot Act has affected my life, there is only one instance:

I had to get a photo ID to get a bank account.

If passed in my area, a ban on trans-fats would affect my life in large and anger-inducing ways.


Now, of course, there's potential for more violations of my freedom (with the Patriot Act), but saying one violation isn't as bad as another one is just giving the government justification. All violations of freedoms are just that, violations.



So, in summary:

You are an idiot.

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