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Why NY is even more of a shithole...
Topic Started: Dec 5 2006, 05:52 PM (549 Views)
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2. Your horror stories of the bad conditions: Guess what? I don't care!

I don't give a flying fuck what happened to the cow that has become my juicy filet mignon. All I care is that its done to my liking, tastes good, and doesn't make me sick. And no meat has ever made me sick. So, whatever the hell they do to the cows and chickens and pigs that eventually end up on my plate isn't killing me...

And even if it was, I have the choice not to eat meat.


Yes! Your Christianity is shining through don't you think.

Aren't you one to judge, oh wait Ath is the uber judge here..:lol:


So if Cigarettes and Liquor were invented today they would be banned, ok..if I stuck a crayon up my nose I could perhaps believe that :huh:..but what about Mary Jane my friend, it wasn't invented today and has been a natural herb for thousands of years..yet it stands banned :blink:..Now I love my cigars as much as the next person, but why should my neighbor be banned from smoking weed, it's his choice and does relatively less damage to his health than smoking cigars does to mine [Note: I don't have a neighbor that smokes weed, was making neighbor represent my "fellow man"]? By the way, even with the sin tax the brand of cigars I smoke is only 2.15$ for 5 medium cigars where a sweet [marijuana joint] is roughly 3-5$...how sad =/.
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Dec 8 2006, 06:56 PM
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Dec 8 2006, 10:02 PM
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Dec 7 2006, 05:11 PM
Old Zertaxia
Dec 6 2006, 11:33 PM
Who is the government to tell us what to do with our lives?  This ban violates my freewill by limiting my ability to choose. 

If I fucking choose to eat trans-fat fried food or whatever, its my choice, not some government agent.

You are very misinformed.

How many thousands of people want to be healthier but can't because of location or income? Trans fat affects the poor and the poor cannot help it.

Let alone middle-class me can't get any food on the road that isn't Dunkin Doughnuts or McDonalds.

I don't see how you can claim your right to eat something that was put into your food unnecessarily without any say from you or anyone else; save the people in the corporate conference rooms who decided to slip it in in order to cut costs.


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EDIT: Trans-fat isn't only in French fries and pizza and whatnot. It's in pretty much all processed foods save for the brands that come from health-food stores. Did you have a say in it? No.

1.Yes, I'm very misinformed on my opinion that I should be able to eat whatever the hell i want....

Asshole.

There are ingredients and nutrional facts. If I honestly cared what I ate, I would be able to look on the ingredients and see partially hydrogenated blah blah is in it, is a trans fat, and is claimed to have negative health effects.

So, maybe I had no say in what went into it, but I can choose not buy such products. There is even an alternative. All those hippies and environmentalist sell organic food now.


2. Your horror stories of the bad conditions: Guess what? I don't care!

I don't give a flying fuck what happened to the cow that has become my juicy filet mignon. All I care is that its done to my liking, tastes good, and doesn't make me sick. And no meat has ever made me sick. So, whatever the hell they do to the cows and chickens and pigs that eventually end up on my plate isn't killing me...

And even if it was, I have the choice not to eat meat.

:rolleyes:

The issue at hand are those people who want to stop eating trans fat but can't.

1. Arov, I'm sure you know exactly what I'm going to say about people that "can't help themselves stop eating"......

And, if you would like to argue that such is the case, I would rather see the government sponsoring some sort of "food-addiction" therapy or some such nonsense, rather than taking away the entire society's right to choice.


2. LH, first, I don't claim to be a perfect Christian. Not even close. No one is perfect, not me, not you.

Second, the Bible expressly states that the world and its resources were given to us to use as we see fit. So, if you're trying to claim that the Bible says God's people should be vegetarians or be especially concerned with the treatment of animals who entire reason for existence is to die and feed me, you're going to have to show me where...
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lol I get pounded on even when I'm not here. That's sad JW. Don't you have something else better to do?
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Dec 9 2006, 01:19 AM
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Dec 9 2006, 01:00 AM
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2. Your horror stories of the bad conditions: Guess what? I don't care!

I don't give a flying fuck what happened to the cow that has become my juicy filet mignon. All I care is that its done to my liking, tastes good, and doesn't make me sick. And no meat has ever made me sick. So, whatever the hell they do to the cows and chickens and pigs that eventually end up on my plate isn't killing me...

And even if it was, I have the choice not to eat meat.


Yes! Your Christianity is shining through don't you think.

Aren't you one to judge, oh wait Ath is the uber judge here..:lol:


So if Cigarettes and Liquor were invented today they would be banned, ok..if I stuck a crayon up my nose I could perhaps believe that :huh:..but what about Mary Jane my friend, it wasn't invented today and has been a natural herb for thousands of years..yet it stands banned :blink:..Now I love my cigars as much as the next person, but why should my neighbor be banned from smoking weed, it's his choice and does relatively less damage to his health than smoking cigars does to mine [Note: I don't have a neighbor that smokes weed, was making neighbor represent my "fellow man"]? By the way, even with the sin tax the brand of cigars I smoke is only 2.15$ for 5 medium cigars where a sweet [marijuana joint] is roughly 3-5$...how sad =/.

Ganja was originally made illegal in the US (somewhere in the 1800's) because Mexican migrant workers were attracted to the hemp fields. Will find website later.

And no matter what religion you follow, the way you treat animals is a direct reflection of how you treat humans.

Old Z, you are quite naive.

You didn't have the right to choose in the first place, and neither did anyone else when some company gave your cheap parmesan risotto the same amount of fat as a slab of steak.

Trans fat, I will reiterate, is a useless ingredient that gives you no health benefit that was put in your food by humans and not by nature. Even the FDA says that it is totally impossible to avoid this ingredient wherever you are (except NY) because it is in EVERYTHING so long as you are indebted to supermarkets for everything you eat (and if you're poor, convenience stores and fast-food restaurants more so than supermarkets).

We live in an age where soda is easier to buy than water is, with the FDA basically held hostage by the food companies. How else are we supposed to get out of this cycle of salt and blood clots that you probably had no say in creating?

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;) Well said!
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Dec 9 2006, 04:13 PM
Old Z, you are quite naive.

You didn't have the right to choose in the first place, and neither did anyone else when some company gave your cheap parmesan risotto the same amount of fat as a slab of steak.

Trans fat, I will reiterate, is a useless ingredient that gives you no health benefit that was put in your food by humans and not by nature. Even the FDA says that it is totally impossible to avoid this ingredient wherever you are (except NY) because it is in EVERYTHING so long as you are indebted to supermarkets for everything you eat (and if you're poor, convenience stores and fast-food restaurants more so than supermarkets).

We live in an age where soda is easier to buy than water is, with the FDA basically held hostage by the food companies. How else are we supposed to get out of this cycle of salt and blood clots that you probably had no say in creating?

Your arrogance is choking me....

1. Even if we are dependant on supermarkets (which I'd say we only choose to be, seeing as I know many people who make their own homeade noodles, use their gardens, make all their foods from scratch, can every season, etc), there are the organic foods. They don't have trans-fats.

2. Get out of the cycle of salt and blood clots? Are you trying to say its impossible to eat healthy in todays world or something? People can make choices to avoid salts and soda. And its easier to buy soda? Last time I checked, almost all homes come with running water, not running soda....

3. LH, would you like to address point two from previous post, or admit that you were grossly lacking intelligence in lecturing me on the Bible and Christianity, seeing as you've failed to back it up?
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Old Z read my quote

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Yes! Your Christianity is shining through don't you think.

Now read yours

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2. LH, first, I don't claim to be a perfect Christian. Not even close. No one is perfect, not me, not you.

Second, the Bible expressly states that the world and its resources were given to us to use as we see fit. So, if you're trying to claim that the Bible says God's people should be vegetarians or be especially concerned with the treatment of animals who entire reason for existence is to die and feed me, you're going to have to show me where...


I think you will not find that I was saying you were any less christian quite the opposite! That was my insult! Religion has blood on its hands and animal blood is included.
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Old Zertaxia
Dec 9 2006, 10:04 PM
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Dec 9 2006, 04:13 PM
Old Z, you are quite naive.

You didn't have the right to choose in the first place, and neither did anyone else when some company gave your cheap parmesan risotto the same amount of fat as a slab of steak.

Trans fat, I will reiterate, is a useless ingredient that gives you no health benefit that was put in your food by humans and not by nature. Even the FDA says that it is totally impossible to avoid this ingredient wherever you are (except NY) because it is in EVERYTHING so long as you are indebted to supermarkets for everything you eat (and if you're poor, convenience stores and fast-food restaurants more so than supermarkets).

We live in an age where soda is easier to buy than water is, with the FDA basically held hostage by the food companies. How else are we supposed to get out of this cycle of salt and blood clots that you probably had no say in creating?

Your arrogance is choking me....

1. Even if we are dependant on supermarkets (which I'd say we only choose to be, seeing as I know many people who make their own homeade noodles, use their gardens, make all their foods from scratch, can every season, etc), there are the organic foods. They don't have trans-fats.

2. Get out of the cycle of salt and blood clots? Are you trying to say its impossible to eat healthy in todays world or something? People can make choices to avoid salts and soda. And its easier to buy soda? Last time I checked, almost all homes come with running water, not running soda....

3. LH, would you like to address point two from previous post, or admit that you were grossly lacking intelligence in lecturing me on the Bible and Christianity, seeing as you've failed to back it up?

1 & 2 are not readily available to the poor, esp. the urban poor. 1 isn't readily available to city-dwellers in general! NYC has 8 million people, alot of whom are poor, and they cannot be ignored at all.

EDIT: Finishing what I have to say.
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has blood on its hands


Pray tell, L+H, what is your obsession with that phrase? Are you covering up for something you've done in your past?
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Dec 9 2006, 10:17 PM
Religion has blood on its hands and animal blood is included.

Quiet now mooncalf, you wouldn't want to disturb the pagan god of zoophilia now would you?

Everyone has blood on their hands, it's called sin ;). It's ignorant to believe that the crusades of history are to be blamed on religion. Yes, religion has been an excuse to kill billions of people, rule countries, and fight wars which really had nothing to do with what religion either party is of, but rather what either party wanted. You "Know Nothings" [Historical Reference] amuse me; can you seriously believe that if there were no religion in this world that the world wouldn't be the same? People in power will find one way or another to do what they want, religion, unfortunately, happens to be one of the more successful tacts. It doesn't matter how you toss the pasta, the result will be the same gooey mess..this is mankind and damned may we be if we don't repeat our own stupid mistakes. The sores of this world could really do better without ignorant mooncalves blaming things on other people rather than taking responsibility for their own messes and stupidities.

Furthermore, animals are here for us to eat, vegetables for us to eat, and water for us to drink. I love cats and dogs as much as the next person, but if that was all for us to eat, I would pitch up fork and grill me some feline cuisine.
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has blood on its hands


Pray tell, L+H, what is your obsession with that phrase? Are you covering up for something you've done in your past?

No

I figure it is appropriate ;)
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Furthermore, animals are here for us to eat, vegetables for us to eat, and water for us to drink. I love cats and dogs as much as the next person, but if that was all for us to eat, I would pitch up fork and grill me some feline cuisine.
Please read back and see I am not advocating you all become vegetarians :D

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Everyone has blood on their hands, it's called sin . It's ignorant to believe that the crusades of history are to be blamed on religion. Yes, religion has been an excuse to kill billions of people, rule countries, and fight wars which really had nothing to do with what religion either party is of, but rather what either party wanted. You "Know Nothings" [Historical Reference] amuse me; can you seriously believe that if there were no religion in this world that the world wouldn't be the same? People in power will find one way or another to do what they want, religion, unfortunately, happens to be one of the more successful tacts. It doesn't matter how you toss the pasta, the result will be the same gooey mess..this is mankind and damned may we be if we don't repeat our own stupid mistakes. The sores of this world could really do better without ignorant mooncalves blaming things on other people rather than taking responsibility for their own messes and stupidities.
Mmm you really did not understand my point. Old Z said his religion allowed cruelty and I just agreed :D I just expanded the scope!

BTW JW maybe you should visit the "Ha" thread as PI thinks you should be a second class citizen!
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1 & 2 are not readily available to the poor, esp. the urban poor. 1 isn't readily available to city-dwellers in general! NYC has 8 million people, alot of whom are poor, and they cannot be ignored at all.

EDIT: Finishing what I have to say.

Perhaps I might be willing to conclude that the poor have limited access to 'organic' foods.

However, are you trying to tell me its easier for poor people to get their hands on soda rather than water? Because you know how ridiculous that is....


And I never said they should be/were ignored....



And LH, don't put words in my mouth. I said Christianity does not outlaw cruelty to animals. That doesn't mean it encourages or actively allows it.

You really are an asshole.
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Old Zertaxia
Dec 11 2006, 01:02 AM
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Dec 9 2006, 05:31 PM
1 & 2 are not readily available to the poor, esp. the urban poor. 1 isn't readily available to city-dwellers in general! NYC has 8 million people, alot of whom are poor, and they cannot be ignored at all.

EDIT: Finishing what I have to say.

Perhaps I might be willing to conclude that the poor have limited access to 'organic' foods.

However, are you trying to tell me its easier for poor people to get their hands on soda rather than water? Because you know how ridiculous that is....


And I never said they should be/were ignored....



And LH, don't put words in my mouth. I said Christianity does not outlaw cruelty to animals. That doesn't mean it encourages or actively allows it.

You really are an asshole.

It cheaper to get soda then to get water from a bottle.After all the suft that comes from the tap is usually not as drinkable or clean as water from the store.

It is cheaper it to get junk food.Health food is costly.
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Tap water (in the USA) is drinkable, and generally accepted as such...
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In a good number of locales, it actually isn't drinkable, Old Z. Environmental justice is a rapidly-expanding area of law and policy, particularly as regarding hazardous wastes in the aquifer and the availability of potable tap water. Take a look at issues of water purity in Appalachia (esp. WV, VA, KY) and hazardous waste sites such as South Chicago (see, e.g., the Indiana Harbor case from the early 1990s).
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Yes, of course there are some exceptions.

But in most areas, the majority, tap water is perfectly safe.

(I drink my tap water, and technically, I live in Appalachia...)
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It cheaper to get soda then to get water from a bottle.After all the suft that comes from the tap is usually not as drinkable or clean as water from the store.

It is cheaper it to get junk food.Health food is costly.


Well this may be the issue in other places but in Canada...the last and largest source of fresh water in the world the people are being duped. We have some of the best tap water, and there a helpful minerals, the water cleansing system is very tight for most of the large cities. Yet people still choose to buy water that has no helpful minerals, that doesn't taste better or worse, and doesn't have fluoride*.

Let me put this in perspective of how people are being ripped off because of their own ignorance mostly.

People pay water bills for clean and good water that is better for them than bottled water which isn't as regulated.

So they are paying twice for the same product only the 2nd one is worse.

Furthermore they are paying twice because everything short of Evian or really expensive water is just tap water.

Redundancy:
You pay water bill for tap water.
Tap water goes to factory.
Bottles are made and filled up with the water after all the good stuff is taken out of it.
You buy bottled water.


*the rise of the water bottle has brought in a huge increase in tooth decay because water in water bottles doesn't have fluoride and tap water does.





I can't speak for the U.S. because I don't live there [although the water wasn't bad when I went to Cleveland but California water was a bit questionable.] But Canadians are being ripped off because of their own ignorance.


But there are plenty of places in the world where bottled water is a better choice. Just in Serbia in the town where my family is as well as most of the towns in the praries the water is yellow from the old piping and soft and oily. I never drink it when I'm there.

It's oily because most of that part of Serbia has oil in it, thousands of small pockets spread out [instead of one big one]. Some places you can even smell the petroleum in the water because water comes from wells.

My mother told me [cuz she was born in that area I wasn't] of one instance where a pipe exploded into flames [for reasons i forget] because of the huge amount of oil in the water. Probably gas build up.
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1 & 2 are not readily available to the poor, esp. the urban poor. 1 isn't readily available to city-dwellers in general! NYC has 8 million people, alot of whom are poor, and they cannot be ignored at all.

EDIT: Finishing what I have to say.

Perhaps I might be willing to conclude that the poor have limited access to 'organic' foods.

However, are you trying to tell me its easier for poor people to get their hands on soda rather than water? Because you know how ridiculous that is....


And I never said they should be/were ignored....



And LH, don't put words in my mouth. I said Christianity does not outlaw cruelty to animals. That doesn't mean it encourages or actively allows it.

You really are an asshole.

Yes,

Poor inner-city people who can barely pay their water bills find it easier to buy soda than get lead and uranium-filled water from the tap under threat of eviction. I've seen inner-city children who will drink no other beverages than soda and Kool-Aid because their parents can't afford to get them juice and they've been preconditioned.

And the Eskimos in Alaska once had the best teeth in the New World, to the point where Eskimo skulls were being analyzed by dentists.

Nowadays, soda companies bring many many gallons of soda to the Eskimo areas, which are poor without running water, and they just drink soda.

Now they have the largest percentages of tooth decay in the world. And so long as they don't have access to a dentist (there aren't too many dentists in the Eskimo areas you know, and they can only treat symptoms rather than solve actual problems), its going to stay that way.
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Poor inner-city people who can barely pay their water bills find it easier to buy soda than get lead and uranium-filled water from the tap under threat of eviction. I've seen inner-city children who will drink no other beverages than soda and Kool-Aid because their parents can't afford to get them juice and they've been preconditioned.

And the Eskimos in Alaska once had the best teeth in the New World, to the point where Eskimo skulls were being analyzed by dentists.

Nowadays, soda companies bring many many gallons of soda to the Eskimo areas, which are poor without running water, and they just drink soda.

Now they have the largest percentages of tooth decay in the world. And so long as they don't have access to a dentist (there aren't too many dentists in the Eskimo areas you know, and they can only treat symptoms rather than solve actual problems), its going to stay that way.

First of all, isn't kool-aid made with water? Like you mix the powder in water?

Ya.....


And I don't believe your claim that all poor inner-city people avoid tap water like the plague. And I'd like to know where you got the fact that inner-city water to poor people is uranium filled...

I'll agree with lead, but where exactly did you get uranium?

And you're right, lead-poisoning is a problem.

And yes, I'm sorry for the Eskimos and something should be done, like building them a dependable water system.


But, back to the point, which is fat people are fat because of their own choices (with exceptions made for people with qualifiable medical disorders/problems). Not because corporate america made them eat only food that made them fat.

And, since I strongly believe in individual responsibility, the idea of the government telling me that I can't eat certain foods is ridiculous.
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