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| The event that POed Old Zertaxia this week.... | |
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| Topic Started: Dec 11 2006, 06:11 PM (946 Views) | |
| Old Zertaxia | Dec 11 2006, 06:11 PM Post #1 |
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The Ex-Speaker
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| Arov | Dec 25 2006, 06:22 PM Post #161 |
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Do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law
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The idea behind having taxes is that the goverment chooses where it goes. Otherwise there would be no need to extort the money from you. |
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| VincentDantes | Dec 25 2006, 08:25 PM Post #162 |
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Independant by Cynicism
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Well yea but lets say there is a 10% minimum for government operation costs which just covers the minumum. If people approve how the government is operating the country they give them more tax money. If they dissaprove the government is in deep shit. With a big enough population it could be a stable system. Healthcare and Education would get the funding they deserve, some money for the military. America might not be able to run on that system because they spend too much on military, but then again there are plenty of people that would suport the military. Also this vote by money would make sure there are no unnecessary wars like Iraq and Vietnam. There are inherit flaws like people being gullible and possibly media brainwashing, but there would still be enough dissent to have a bigger effect on government if they voted by money. The other flaw is rich people, but there is a solution for that. When you send your tax contribution, rich or poor you would just have a list specifying what money goes where. Or to prevent the government from lying and deciding where the money goes for themselves because its a anonymous contribution system. [anonymous in order for rich people to not have any more influence then the poor.] So yea you would send separate cheques or cash to different departments that would make sure that your money goes where you want it to. Wow I'm solving my own questions. Another flaw could be that poor people just won't give any money at all. Of course people who don't give any money shouldn't have right to use any government services except basic services like ambulance, fire, police. Maybe if there is a required sum percentage that everyone has to send depending on their income level, and number of dependants then the money still goes there but they specify who the money goes too. So everyone still has to pay taxes but they decide where the taxes go. The only problem is, is that it can't be an anonymous system then, because you have to track taxes somehow. But thats fine. The problem always comes down to the people that handle the tax money, in an ideal world you would have to have a middleman thats not on the governments side, that would track what money will go where for every taxpayer and make sure the governments central agency that deals with taxes has identical amounts and no amount of money goes where it's not supposed to. But its those damn rich people...their vote would have more weight to it....but how about this. Do you think that it would weight itself out or balance itself, rich people which are in the minority and the majority of poor and middle class people. So it half and half. |
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| VincentDantes | Dec 25 2006, 08:44 PM Post #163 |
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So I've moved from total control of your taxes and the choice to pay them or not, to same control over taxes but you have to pay certain percentage of your total income. Ok. Taxes (X% * X$Income) - [(X% * X$Income) * (X% * Num. of Dependants)}= Tax Example John makes $50 000/year before taxes. The tax for his income level is 15%. He has 2 dependents (2 children). For every dependent he pays 1% less taxes. This means: (15% * $50 000) - [(15% * $50 000) * (1% * 2)] =($7 500) - [($7 500) * (2%)] =$7 500 - ($150) =$7 350 John has to pay $7 350 in taxes, but he gets too choose where 90% of that goes, because 10% goes to operation costs. _________________________________________________________________ The percentages are just an example. For this to work thought there would have to be a limit on family sizes. Because if you have more children you want to pay more for health care and education. It would have the opposite effect if people decided to have more children to pay less taxes. So a 3 child limit would probably be best. In college our class had a discussion and thought that there should be a tax for having children in order to slow population growth. Not in any country specifically just in general. I personally believe there should be an exam and training course for people who want to be parents. |
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| Pidgeon Island | Dec 26 2006, 12:38 PM Post #164 |
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Not so stale.
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The problem with the tax system in this country (or one of the problems) is that the rich pay about 45% (I'm not sure of the exact numbers, but I know it's somewhere in between 40 and 50%) of their income and the poor pay a smaller percentage. But the fact is, that if someone earns more than someone anyway, and they pay the same percentage in a flat rate tax system, the rich will still pay more taxes. But through this system that we have now, they pay even more than they should, so in some cases, it ends up people earning less actually have more money than the people who should be earning more. It's a very bizarre, confusing and stupid system that ought to be scrapped in favour of no taxes whatsoever. Also, I read in The Mail a few weeks ago that MPs want even more money than they already have, coming straight out of tax and they don't do anything but turn this country into a hell-hole. Bastards. |
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| Dupitable | Dec 26 2006, 03:18 PM Post #165 |
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How do you like THAT side boob?
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They allready earn a hell of a lot as it is. |
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| Love and Honour | Dec 26 2006, 10:39 PM Post #166 |
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Yes Sir; No Sir: 3 Bags Full Sir
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And you have decided that I presume as you give no clue to how you came to that conclusion. Tax as percentage is an equatable system, the more you earn the more you pay. No taxes is an infantile dream, Grow up! |
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| Pidgeon Island | Dec 26 2006, 10:57 PM Post #167 |
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Not so stale.
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That's true, but why should the richer pay a higher percentage than the poorer? If everyone paid, say, 10%, the rich would stil end up paying a lot more than those on lower incomes. Why should the poor pay 10% and the rich, well actually in the UK, just the moderately wealthy, pay 40%. It makes no sense. Flat rate tax or no tax (preferably the latter). End of. |
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| Love and Honour | Dec 26 2006, 11:07 PM Post #168 |
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Yes Sir; No Sir: 3 Bags Full Sir
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You Twit you don't understand tax a lot do you. We all pay the same tax on our earnings. The rate only changes (for all) as we earn more. The Tax man does not care whether you are rich or poor but only that you pay the tax due on your earnings. |
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| Athiestica | Dec 26 2006, 11:20 PM Post #169 |
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What would be a fair flat tax then PI? The way I see it you can't give the poor and the rich the same tax. This is just commonsense. You tax the rich more because they got more money. If you tax the poor or tax them at an unreasonable rate then how can they ever get rich and pay more taxes. In the US we do it to ourselves. We tax the poor when they don't got nothing to give while the rich who do have money to give gets a low tax rate. No wonder the US owes trillions. |
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| Pidgeon Island | Dec 26 2006, 11:20 PM Post #170 |
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No, people on low incomes pay 10%, people on high incomes pay 40%. Everybody should pay the same percentage. It's only fair. |
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| Athiestica | Dec 26 2006, 11:24 PM Post #171 |
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How is it fair? I think there needs to be a maxinum wage just like there is a mininum wage. CEO's this christmas recieved their bonuses. The highest were 40 and 50 million dollars. What one man what 100 men do with 50 million dollars that is good besides giving it away. It is unbelieveable how this world works. |
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| Love and Honour | Dec 26 2006, 11:40 PM Post #172 |
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Yes Sir; No Sir: 3 Bags Full Sir
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Wrong!!! People (all people) pay 10% (higher in Ireland) until they reach a level of income and then the rate rises. We all pay the same rates bases on our income. There is a difference. |
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| Pidgeon Island | Dec 26 2006, 11:51 PM Post #173 |
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Not so stale.
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That phrase says it all L+H. People on higher incomes pay a larger proportion of their salary than people on a lower income. |
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| Arov | Dec 27 2006, 12:04 AM Post #174 |
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Do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law
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It's not a higher proportion, though. |
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| Love and Honour | Dec 27 2006, 12:06 AM Post #175 |
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Yes Sir; No Sir: 3 Bags Full Sir
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People on higher income pay the same %. up to the the amount that determines the rate rise and then all people earning above that amount pay at the higher % As Arov said. Your slowly getting there
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| Arov | Dec 27 2006, 12:12 AM Post #176 |
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lol
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| Pidgeon Island | Dec 27 2006, 12:14 AM Post #177 |
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No they don't. Here, the Inland Revenue's Income Tax rates: 10%, 22%, 40%. It's a progressive tax, the percentage increases as the income increases. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_income_tax#Income_tax http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_tax http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_tax |
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| Arov | Dec 27 2006, 12:23 AM Post #178 |
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Do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law
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lol Reread what L&H said. He made it pretty damn clear that the tax rate doesn't increase for every f-ing pound you earn, but the rate increases after your income passes certain widely-spaced markers. |
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| Pidgeon Island | Dec 27 2006, 12:28 AM Post #179 |
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Not so stale.
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No, I was saying that, He was saying that everyone paid the same percentage. Edit: oh no, he realised he was wrong and changed it to the correct version like he good little slimeball he is. |
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| Love and Honour | Dec 27 2006, 12:36 AM Post #180 |
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Yes Sir; No Sir: 3 Bags Full Sir
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My edit at 1109 your post at 11:04:P Did it really take you 5 mins to post those 3 lines and links I reserve the right to edit my posts and only to hightlight same if a post was made prior to the edit....get over it!
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