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Isreal accidentaly admits to posessing Nukes
Topic Started: Dec 12 2006, 10:40 PM (325 Views)
Dupitable
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http://apnews.myway.com/article/20061212/D8LVAPKG1.html

Thoughts?
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Well it's pretty damn obvious they had them anyway.
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I meant thoughts that Isreal has nukes period.
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Oh, well I think it should if it's faced with threats from Iran.
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Dec 12 2006, 09:45 PM
I meant thoughts that Isreal has nukes period.

Be silly for them to use them...they're pretty much surrounded out there
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Ah you mean becaue Iran's leader once threatened to wipe Isreal of the map?
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It'd be silly for anyone to use nukes. They're there as a deterent.

Reminds me of the Yes, Minister scene:

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Sir Humphrey: With Trident we could obliterate the whole of Eastern Europe.
Jim Hacker: I don't want to obliterate the whole of Eastern Europe.
Sir Humphrey: It's a deterrent.
Jim Hacker: It's a bluff. I probably wouldn't use it.
Sir Humphrey: Yes, but they don't know that you probably wouldn't.
Jim Hacker: They probably do.
Sir Humphrey: Yes, they probably know that you probably wouldn't. But they can't certainly know.
Jim Hacker: They probably certainly know that I probably wouldn't.
Sir Humphrey: Yes, but even though they probably certainly know that you probably wouldn't, they don't certainly know that, although you probably wouldn't, there is no probability that you certainly would.
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So why should Iran not be allowed to build it's own deterant? It is not like Isreal is completely innocent. In all honesty, Iran would probably not use one.
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Dupitable is right. Why does Israel get nukes and not Iran?
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Because Israel supports Western values, screw Iran, they hate us. There, I said what everyone thinks. Now universally condemn me while you secretly agree with what I just said.

I look out for what's right for me, not some people in Iran who want to "drive Israel into the Mediterranean Sea".
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Leaders of Isreal have made threats just as bad as those that Iran made.

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“Everybody has to move; run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements, because everything we take now will stay ours. Everything we don't grab will go to them.”


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“Even today I am willing to volunteer to do the dirty work for Israel, to kill as many Arabs as necessary, to deport them, to expel and burn them, to have everyone hate us, to pull the rug from underneath the feet of the Diaspora Jews, so that they will be forced to run to us crying. Even if it means blowing up one or two synagogues here and there, I don't care.”


I don't secretly agree with you at all. I completely support the Iranian claim to a nuclear deterent. Iran has a long history of being dicked on by other countries, only now will they be able to stop it. Plus, IIRC Iran has never been to war with Isreal.
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Yeah, but Israel supports western values. Iran doesn't.
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Really, does it?

Is murdering lebanese civilians an accepted western value?

Is threatening to murder and burn Palestinians a western value?

Is taking the land of someone else then treating them as second class citizens a modern western value?

Is killing 1492 people in revenge for the death of 8 accepted under western morals?

If that is the case I don't want to be western.
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Is murdering lebanese civilians an accepted western value? Only lefties call it murder, and lefties hate Western values.

Is threatening to murder and burn Palestinians a western value? See above.

Is taking the land of someone else then treating them as second class citizens a modern western value? Israel won that land fair in a war that the other side started, they should be allowed to keep it.

Is killing 1492 people in revenge for the death of 8 accepted under western morals? Yes, yes it is. An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.

If that is the case I don't want to be western. Good for you.
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The only reason why israel is even a state is because of the US and the UK. US and UK intervened where they didn't belong. They did it because of religious beliefs and out sympthy for Jews.

PI the people of Iran like the US and have a culture similar to the US but the government doesn't like the US. As this current administration doesn't like Iranian government.
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PI the people of Iran like the US and have a culture similar to the US but the government doesn't like the US. As this current administration doesn't like Iranian government.


Do I look like I'm talking about individual people? Since when do individual people have nukes? Of course I'm talking about the governments, and the Iranian government does not conform to Western values. The Israeli one does.
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tbh I think that every nation in the world should just chuck their nukes into the middle east.
-Solves all the worlds problems... No Jerusalem, No meka, no "terror-training hotbeds" what could be better?

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Is killing 1492 people in revenge for the death of 8 accepted under western morals? Yes, yes it is. An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.

Eye for an Eye, Tooth for skeleton.
btw as Dupitable is from "the west" his views, in part, make up "western values".
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1: I am not a leftie in any sense of the word. They rocket attacked thousands of innocent civilians, I call that murder, there is no other word for it.

2: “I vow that if I was just an Israeli civilian and I met a Palestinian I would burn him and I would make him suffer before killing him.” I would say that is murder as well, no matter how you define it.

3: But there was not a state of Isreal before 1947, it was only created by terrorist attacking the British government. It was not their land.

4: But an eye for an eye is not a western value, western values are generaly derived from the bible, which teaches us to forgive. Secondly an eye for an uye is making the punishment equalk to the crime, how can you justify the deaths of 1492 civilians in response to the deaths of 8 soldiers under an eye for an eye?
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2: “I vow that if I was just an Israeli civilian and I met a Palestinian I would burn him and I would make him suffer before killing him.” I would say that is murder as well, no matter how you define it.


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Ouze Merham is a fictitious character, made out to be a general in the Israeli Defense Forces, who allegedly interviewed Ariel Sharon in 1956. The interview, first appeared on Muslim websites in mid-2001 during the al-Aqsa Intifada, turned out to have been a hoax. Sharon, who was Prime Minister of Israel when the interview appeared in public, never made such an interview and the Israeli army has no record of a general by the name Ouze Merham.

The hoax quotation is frequently used as anti-Israel propaganda. It was a winner of the Annual Islamophobia Awards held by Islamic Human Rights Commission on May 31, 2003. [1] Student columnist Mariam Sobh used the quote in her December 11, 2003 Daily Illini column [2], but later apologized. [3]

One way to describe you, taken in by anti-Zionist propoganda.

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3: But there was not a state of Isreal before 1947, it was only created by terrorist attacking the British government. It was not their land.


It was British land and they had a right to do what they wanted with it.

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4: But an eye for an eye is not a western value, western values are generaly derived from the bible, which teaches us to forgive. Secondly an eye for an uye is making the punishment equalk to the crime, how can you justify the deaths of 1492 civilians in response to the deaths of 8 soldiers under an eye for an eye?


Well if the government didn't want all the people to be killed then they should have given the soldiers back then shouldn't they.

And an eye for an eye is used in a lot of western governments. If someone murdered or raped someone, yu'd at least put them in jail, not just forgive them and let them do it again.
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I vote for Jivdom.


And I would also like to counter the statement that the Iranian people love/like/don't hate the American/Western people....


Remember on 9/11 and after the London attacks, the pictures on the TV:

All those precious little Arabs having street parties and shooting off their AK-47s?


I find such a claim hard to substantiate. Such a ridiculous claim is worthy of the likes of Comrade Martin, Ath....
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