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Iran and Israel
Topic Started: Dec 12 2006, 11:38 PM (94 Views)
Old Zertaxia
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What a jackass. The Iranian President reminds me of Comrade Martin...
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Ahmadinejad announced the conference would set up a “fact-finding commission” to determine whether the Holocaust happened or not. The commission will “help end a 60-year-old dispute,” he said.


Wonder what the conclusion will be. A group of holocaust deniers launching an investigation into whether the holocaust happened.

That's quite honestly the stupidest thing I have ever heard.
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Did you read what the German PM said?

It was almost a declaration of war.....

well, it sounded like it....
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This is the stupidest thing I've heard...although I could care less I worry about what he said. Something like the Zionest regime will fall. I guessing he means the US. That I worry about.
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Also let me say this. If I was Iran unless I had some nuckes I wouldn't be saying lets wipe Israel off the map. Thats just plain old stupid.
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“The Zionist regime will be wiped out soon the same way the Soviet Union was, and humanity will achieve freedom,”

He is not threatening to wipe it out, as the USSR was not 'wiped out' he is saying it will crumble and be over run.

I don't see the problem with debating the scale of the holocaust. I am not saying it didn't happen and I am not endorsing it. However, why should the holocaust escape debate when every other war crime does not? Doesn't make sense to me.
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Debate isn't a problem.

The problem is that he's going to claim that his little fact-finding bullshit is an honest look into the past events. Does anyone, besides people like the President of Iran or Nazis realisitically deny the existence of the Holocaust?

Besides, he's already said the Holocaust was made up. What do you think a comittee headed by him will find?
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That KKK guy does obviously sinced he showed up at the confrence.
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Even former Nazis don't deny the occurrence of the Holocaust anymore. To do so in Germany nowadays is a major crime.
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Hence they dont do it. Wether they believe it didn't happen is a completely different occurence.
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Does anyone, besides people like the President of Iran or Nazis realisitically deny the existence of the Holocaust?


Many holocaust deniers are not Nazis or Islamic extremests. I talked to one once who is a die hard communist.

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The problem is that he's going to claim that his little fact-finding bullshit is an honest look into the past events.


Then why is that any diferent to a western holocaust conference where, I bet my bottom dollar, they would not let any of these people stand up and talk. They will still claim it is an honest look into events.
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Dupitable
Dec 13 2006, 07:47 AM
Then why is that any diferent to a western holocaust conference where, I bet my bottom dollar, they would not let any of these people stand up and talk. They will still claim it is an honest look into events.

Um...In my opinion, I'd think anyone could give an opinion, as long as they justified why their opinion was important.

But then again, I'm an American, and don't subscribe to the same curbs on free speech that many Europeans do.
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Old Zertaxia
Dec 13 2006, 05:12 PM
Dupitable
Dec 13 2006, 07:47 AM
Then why is that any diferent to a western holocaust conference where, I bet my bottom dollar, they would not let any of these people stand up and talk. They will still claim it is an honest look into events.

Um...In my opinion, I'd think anyone could give an opinion, as long as they justified why their opinion was important.

But then again, I'm an American, and don't subscribe to the same curbs on free speech that many Europeans do.

Aye it stupid how Europeans limit freedom of speech.It very funny how the Nazi banned whoever they banned to control the goverment.Now the europeans after winning the war.Ban the enemy.Ban them from saying what they will.Any body know what I trying to get at?
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fighter4u
Dec 13 2006, 04:29 PM
Any body know what I trying to get at?

Does anyone ever know what you try to get at?
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No I don't think so.I suck at expressing things.I just suck at words.
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Then why don't you just tell us what you were trying to insinuate?
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Really?Um well.What I mean is that the Europeans are no better then the Nazi(I talking potlical freedom here) when it mean limiting freedom of speech.By trying to force the fact the holocast happen on everybody.They are limiting the rights for others to belive in what they want.They make sure that the old wounds and scars stay their.The shame and dread people feel will rise up everytime somebody denies the holocast.It breed volience and hated.

Is that like better?
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But the thing is, we are 99.99999% sure the holocaust happened, we are 99.9999% sure that jews are not secretly conspiring against the Aryian race.

Common sense needs to have some say in the thing.
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I think he was just broadly commenting on freedom of speech in Europe as opposed to the United States.

I know the Holocaust happened, but if someone wants to make a fool of themselves and say it didn't, that is their choice, and shouldn't be a crime.
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You have to realise that most people will never say the holocaust didn't happen. 95% of the people the media label 'holocaust deniers' do not deny that it happened. What they do is question the scale and the mnethods with which it happened. A notable example being that originaly in the 50s and 60s it was believed that 4 million died in auschwitz and now it is believed to be more like 1 million did. However in the 50s and 60s anyone saying that 1 million died not 4 would be branded a holocaust denier and would be persecuted.
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