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| Who was the Greatest Republican President? | |
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| Topic Started: Dec 15 2006, 11:52 PM (206 Views) | |
| Athiestica | Dec 15 2006, 11:52 PM Post #1 |
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I personally feel Lincoln was the best out of them all. Regan was good but not great like Lincoln. He overcame adversity in becoming President and had to deal with a civil war. What does every one else think? |
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| Dupitable | Dec 15 2006, 11:55 PM Post #2 |
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Lincoln was a twat that destroyed the system of government that the US was supposed to have. The Southern States should have had full rights to secede. I say Regan. |
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| Pidgeon Island | Dec 15 2006, 11:56 PM Post #3 |
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Not so stale.
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Reagan, Reagan! |
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| Lower Bowmania | Dec 16 2006, 12:40 AM Post #4 |
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*sigh* I love how we all forget the evolution of the American political parties. Please do keep in mind that Lincoln was Republican in name only. If the parties were named based on their present ideologies, Lincoln's Republican's would have been a centrist take on todays Democratic party. But, if we're only interested in titles, then yes Abe was a Republican. Regardless, he's still far from the greatest Republican President. The correct answer, kiddies, is Dwight David Eisenhower. In my mind, Ike is above and beyond the greatest Republican president the US has ever seen. |
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| Arov | Dec 16 2006, 04:05 AM Post #5 |
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Reagan sucked. When will people realize this? Lincoln. Ike comes in second. |
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| Dupitable | Dec 16 2006, 04:14 AM Post #6 |
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Eisenhower? He was one of the perpertraitorst in using Europes vast debts as a stranglehold to make them relinquish the remains of their empires. Well before they had had time to stabilise the countrys before they left (which had allways been the plan before) and so playing a large part in the creation of an African third world. He also did not support the Hungarian Revolt. He partitioned Vietnam (Well that worked well didn't it) Also he was partialy responsible for the mess that the DRC is in today. Not to mention not only not supporting his allies, but moving against them. I dislike Eisenhower, one day America will need our support for an action and I will fully support not giving them it to even the score. |
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| Old Zertaxia | Dec 16 2006, 05:31 AM Post #7 |
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While I'm not usually one to throw the past in Europe's face: As I see it, dear Duputiable, the score stands at USA 2 (at least) and Europe 0. Please remind me of the last time the USA asked Europe to save it from certain destruction. And how many times has Europe asked the opposite of America? Honestly, I really don't care about the past. But if you're going to pull bullshit like that, then I'm gonna retort with: "Looks like Europe is still in debt the United States for saving it from the Germans....twice...." So, just to even the score, you'd have to help us out. |
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| Love and Honour | Dec 16 2006, 07:11 AM Post #8 |
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Yes Sir; No Sir: 3 Bags Full Sir
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Twice is stretching it too far as I believe the Great War was finishing just as US troops arrived. However in the Second World War we should always acknowledge the debt. |
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| Athiestica | Dec 16 2006, 08:56 AM Post #9 |
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I will agree with Old Z to a point. Yes america has done more for Europe then they have done for us. The thing is Europe hasn't totally done nothing. The French mind you....gave the american revolutionaries money to support a war that look like we were losing until a certain battle and the charming Benjamin Franklin. I forget the name. I think don't quote me but I believe it was when the americans took back Ft. Ticonderoka.(Correct?) From that point the war slowly and not always went into the americans favor. I'm also sure there has been countless behind the door deals the europeans made witht the US that we haven't heard about after WWII. |
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| Athiestica | Dec 16 2006, 08:57 AM Post #10 |
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Oh yeah Greatest Republican Pres. Old Z? |
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| Dupitable | Dec 16 2006, 01:39 PM Post #11 |
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Read a history book. America entering World War One actualy legnthened it as it made the Germans try Operation Micheal (their last big push) rather than sign an armastice. World War 2 could have been won without American support. We had won the battle of Britain and Operation Sealion had been called off before you entered the war. Hitler would still have got bogged down in Russia and Greece. The two reasons that Hitler lost the war were not to do with America entering the war, they were 1) The Japanese refused to move against Russia 2) Mussolini's failed invasion of Grece meant German troops had to help which A: led to massive casualties and a phyric victory in crete meaning Hitler vowed never to use paratroopers again B: Delayed Operation Barbarosa by 2 months meaning they invaded Russia in thw inter. There are a lot of factors at work why the Germans would not have been able to fully defeat the USSR in a war which I won't go into, but basicaly as soon as the Germans entered any urban arena they completely lost any advantage they had and the Ruskies gained massive advantages. |
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| Old Zertaxia | Dec 16 2006, 05:23 PM Post #12 |
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That's all that post is worthy of. However, I am willing to concede to LH's point that the American's didn't do anything militarily during the First World War that 'saved' Europe. To say that American support (both military and non-military) either lengthened the First World War or didn't matter entirely to the Second World War is just lunacy. |
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| Dupitable | Dec 16 2006, 06:09 PM Post #13 |
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I am not saying it didn't matter, of course it helped greatly. That is different however from saying we could not have won without you, which you are. To say that Britain would have lost the war is stupid because it is ignoring both historical facts and the very motives of Hitler (to bring Britain to the debating table and into an alliance with Germany). Also notably militarily it would have been almost impossible to take control of Britain as it was a fortress. Regarding the First World War, I am not kidding, nor am I mad. It is commonly accepted amongst European historians that Americas entrance to the war actualy legnethened it. The German army was preparing for an armastice and knew they could nto win a protracted war. However they knew with American troops begining to arrive that they were fucked and would loose. So they tried one last desperate offensive (Operation Micheal) to try and gain a victory before the Americans could land enough troops to make a diference. |
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| Athiestica | Dec 16 2006, 07:15 PM Post #14 |
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Come on Dup do really believe that Hitler wasn't going to take control of Britian eventually if america didn't come in? But before the millitary came over America was sending money also. There was no way in mind Hitler wasn't going to take over Britian. Plan was that Japan and the Nazis were going to meet in the center of the US. Britian to them was a door prize or second place. The US was the place they planned on taking over. Hitler was brilliant but evil. His invasions were so gradual you never knew what he would do next. But we see now his ideal goal was the US. Sorry if it offends anyone but that was it. |
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| Dupitable | Dec 16 2006, 08:47 PM Post #15 |
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No, pretty much all his invasions and their reasons were listed in Mein Kampf before they happened. Russia and Poland for Lebenstraum, Denmark and Norway for trade and Steel, Ausria and Czeckoslovakia for uniting the German people. France was taken purely out of opertunism in that they had a crap army and a flawed defence and the Gerries knew they could put up fuck all resistance. The plan was never to take America or Britain. Japan especialy had no concern in taking America, the Japanese aim was to unite the Asian people and free them from European colonialism. If you believe their aim was to take over the entire world you need to stop taking history lessons from disnep cartoons. |
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| Old Zertaxia | Dec 16 2006, 09:00 PM Post #16 |
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What Disney cartoons feature Hitler and Hirohito? So, you think that if America hadn't entered WWII, the Allies (or what was left of them), could have defeated Hitler? |
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| Athiestica | Dec 16 2006, 09:26 PM Post #17 |
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If you really don't think that was the plan then your whole interpetation about WWII is completly and utterly misguided. I suggest you watch some Looney Tunes and that might help you with your Disney Cartoon fetish. Good day to you Sir. |
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| Dupitable | Dec 16 2006, 09:34 PM Post #18 |
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Yes old Z I do Hitler did not want to take britain nor did he have the resources to do it. That plus Russian cities were absolute hellholes for German troops dues to the long harsh winters, their distance from supply lines, unfamiliar territor and the legions of Russian marksmen willing to die for the motherland. To answer the other question. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDWF8hznHZs...related&search= Thats just one example. |
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| Old Zertaxia | Dec 16 2006, 09:53 PM Post #19 |
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I didn't ask you whether or not Hitler could have/wanted to take Britain. I asked if Britain could have defeated Hitler. I highly doubt it could have. And if America hadn't entered the war and propped the Allies up, with material goods more than soldiers, Britain most likely would have done what Hitler wanted and come to the peace table. And the German state that would have come out of that sure as hell would, with time, have been able to anhilate Great Britian, and probly the United States too. The cartoon is war era propaganda. Nobody thinks thats history. |
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| Dupitable | Dec 16 2006, 10:19 PM Post #20 |
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But germany didn't want to take Britain or the United states. Remembering that Britian had large parts of the French and Polish armies at it's disposal. Also Germany was fighting a war on four fronts, something even a superpower will have trouble with. On the four fronts... In Russia it was fighting an enemy it realisticaly could not beat, the Germans had effectively lost in the Russian theater by December 1941. In Africa we had lifted the siege of Tobruk and temporarily ended the Axis threat there. In the Mediteranian we had nuetralised the threat of the Italian navy with no losses we still controlled all of our bases there and we could now effectively block Axis suplies to the Afrika Corps. On The British/Pacific front we had won the battle of Britain and ended the dominance of the luftwaffe. We had sunk the Bismark, we had captured the Enigma machine. While the Germans were not beaten we were winning. America may have provided the UK with 3.6 billion dollars of military equipment, but Canada suplied us with 4.7 billion dollars. It also has to be remembered that we had secured Iran and it's oil and also had Canada, Australia and India from which we could draw troops. |
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