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Heaven would be a sad existence
Topic Started: Dec 20 2006, 06:27 AM (289 Views)
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If you go to Heaven correct? Which has been described as eternal life and eternal happiness. Then wouldn't that be a terrible existence? Just think about the things that motivate us as a society or individuals. I mean we hardly ever get motivated or never get motivated when we are happy.

We always try to stay happy and make that emotion last as long as possible in order to stay happy. If we don't have that drive then what kind of existence would that be? Wouldn't it be a miserable eternal life? We learn, we work, we explore, we socialize, we find entertainment and love in the hopes of being happy. But if you remove that drive then what else is there, because if we are eternally happy then why should we do anything? I mean my god the whole idea that heaven is great place is false. Wouldn't it seem like it would be a hellish place to live?

I mean what would be the reason to go to college, work, date, or do anything else if your always and completely a happy?
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VD why are you calling me an idiot?
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Athesitica
Dec 24 2006, 08:17 AM
VD why are you calling me an idiot?

Because he likes telling the truth.
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1. I'm not sure actually. If anyone can attribute this to one person, let me know. As far as I know its just a popular axiom with applications in philosophy, business, psychology, spirituality and plenty of other places.


2. Ath, to say that everyone will be happy for ever is quite understating the concept of heaven (or, at least, my Christian concept of heaven). You see, its not "happy" like you're wake up one morning with all of the toys you want, your favorite foods, good weather and all the money with which to do anything you want. It's not a worldly happy. Its not something we can grasp. Its not material happiness...if that were the case I'd say you make an interesting argument. Sure, even if we had everything we wanted in our lives it would get boring. But this isn't dealing with our lives, it deals with our souls.

The "happiness" of heaven is one that we cannot experience in our human bodies...inherently flawed as we are we cannot experience, or even comprehend, the rapture, joy, and elation of the spiritual fulfillment, perfection, and oneness with God that awaits us.

Consider:

"Blessed are the dead who died in the Lord...they may rest from their labors for their deeds will follow them" (Rev 14:13). In other words, our earthly labor, toil, anguish, worry, doubt, etc. are over! We can't possibly understand this...even when we're seemingly happy and content, nothing is ever perfect--true "happiness" is not something we can experience in this world!

"But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the hearts of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him" (I Corinthians 2:9). That says it all...we have no idea how great is the life which awaits us after this.


3. Ath...just so we're clear, I'm not an idiot and I know that you're not Christian...I'm not trying to use the scripture here to "prove" to you what heaven is (while I believe it to be true, I'm aware that that doesn't function well in a "debate."). My hope is that you'll read them to gain an understanding of how we Christians view heaven, and thus and understanding of why we don't anticipate "eternal boredom," but a time of peace, joy, and rapture without end.


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For all you know Heaven might be boring to those who want evil and pain in their (after)lives.

Just a thought.
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umm...if they want evil and pain...they won't be coming to heaven.


And Ath you are an idiot in general, because you are blind and self-righteous. But specifically for the post above where I called you an idiot. You are one because you didn't understand his sarcasm.




LB

Thank you for putting the same thoughts I was trying to express [in my earlier post on the subject of heaven] in words.


Ath might possibly say something like 'If I it's not possible to know what heaven is like then how do we know its 'good for us'' Or something in that sense. In case he does my answer is.

FAITH....something Atheists fail to understand and see those with faith as stupid because they are believing in something they don't know everything about.
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Dec 24 2006, 10:29 AM
1. I'm not sure actually. If anyone can attribute this to one person, let me know. As far as I know its just a popular axiom with applications in philosophy, business, psychology, spirituality and plenty of other places.


2. Ath, to say that everyone will be happy for ever is quite understating the concept of heaven (or, at least, my Christian concept of heaven). You see, its not "happy" like you're wake up one morning with all of the toys you want, your favorite foods, good weather and all the money with which to do anything you want. It's not a worldly happy. Its not something we can grasp. Its not material happiness...if that were the case I'd say you make an interesting argument. Sure, even if we had everything we wanted in our lives it would get boring. But this isn't dealing with our lives, it deals with our souls.

The "happiness" of heaven is one that we cannot experience in our human bodies...inherently flawed as we are we cannot experience, or even comprehend, the rapture, joy, and elation of the spiritual fulfillment, perfection, and oneness with God that awaits us.

Consider:

"Blessed are the dead who died in the Lord...they may rest from their labors for their deeds will follow them" (Rev 14:13). In other words, our earthly labor, toil, anguish, worry, doubt, etc. are over! We can't possibly understand this...even when we're seemingly happy and content, nothing is ever perfect--true "happiness" is not something we can experience in this world!

"But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the hearts of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him" (I Corinthians 2:9). That says it all...we have no idea how great is the life which awaits us after this.


3. Ath...just so we're clear, I'm not an idiot and I know that you're not Christian...I'm not trying to use the scripture here to "prove" to you what heaven is (while I believe it to be true, I'm aware that that doesn't function well in a "debate."). My hope is that you'll read them to gain an understanding of how we Christians view heaven, and thus and understanding of why we don't anticipate "eternal boredom," but a time of peace, joy, and rapture without end.

LB thanks for the insight. I see what you mean and it makes sense. When I did say happiness I meant happiness as in joy and at peace with one's self. If we didn't have sad or angry a lot of things that have been acomplished on Earth wouldn't have been done if it wasn't for the other emotions. Maybe I'm not getting what your saying but thats what I think.

VD I asked him to clarify because I knew he was sarcastic and I really wanted to hear his view. Hell he said in his post that he was. You got to be brain dead not to get that. Stop acting like a child and grow up. Calling others names gets us no where and defeats the purpose of this forum.
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Yes of course Mr. I'm so high and mighty...fucking self righteous bastard. I bet you felt great when you put me down for putting you down you hypocritical son of a bitch.



There was nothing to explain in his post, it was a sarcastic comment and regardless that he said that it was sarcasm, your reply implied that you did not detect or find the sarcasm. Dipshit.


I beg of you...pull your head out of your ass.
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I love you guys.
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Guys you are letting yourself down with all this negativity
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VincentDantes
Dec 24 2006, 03:37 PM
Yes of course Mr. I'm so high and mighty...fucking self righteous bastard. I bet you felt great when you put me down for putting you down you hypocritical son of a bitch.



There was nothing to explain in his post, it was a sarcastic comment and regardless that he said that it was sarcasm, your reply implied that you did not detect or find the sarcasm. Dipshit.


I beg of you...pull your head out of your ass.

VD.....VD.....what a child you are. Grow Up
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What would be best for some is if we just lived forever on earth. Right?
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Arov
Dec 24 2006, 04:31 PM
For all you know Heaven might be boring to those who want evil and pain in their (after)lives.

Just a thought.

You do get the concept that we have a choice to either go to Heaven or Hell, yes?
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Wow I'm a child oh my god. You know you should probably work in government, I think they could always use another self-righteous prick. All ya gotta do is suck a little bit of cock from your nearest political representative. Preferable a governor or congressman, although a congressman might want to pack your fudge a bit too you know. Then run for some obscure post or better yet if you suck cock good enough you get appointed.

Then you and your cock-buddies can decide the moral and ethical standards of your country.





P.S. If any of you politically correct cum stains decide that my post was homophobic...well you can just go ahead and lick my balls. Realistically I couldn't give two squirts of piss what two consenting homosexuals do in the privacy of their own homes. My problem with perverse politicians is a lot more complicated and I just don't give enough of a fuck to explain that.

So Ath and any other self-righteous pricks, as well as the P.C. police, what you can do is go fuck yourselves.

Thank you. I'll be here all week.



P.S. #2 Is U-Ropa around, I've just gained a new respect for his talent of insulting people. Thank you U-Ropa.





oh and lets not forget..in spite of P.C. police and honestly. Merry Christmas, I shall beg forgiveness for saying all I've said above.
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Need I reply to that post VD? I
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Up to you...but I don't really see what you could reply with. Without getting verbally beaten again.
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VincentDantes
Dec 25 2006, 12:07 AM
Wow I'm a child oh my god. You know you should probably work in government, I think they could always use another self-righteous prick. All ya gotta do is suck a little bit of cock from your nearest political representative. Preferable a governor or congressman, although a congressman might want to pack your fudge a bit too you know. Then run for some obscure post or better yet if you suck cock good enough you get appointed.

Then you and your cock-buddies can decide the moral and ethical standards of your country.





P.S. If any of you politically correct cum stains decide that my post was homophobic...well you can just go ahead and lick my balls. Realistically I couldn't give two squirts of piss what two consenting homosexuals do in the privacy of their own homes. My problem with perverse politicians is a lot more complicated and I just don't give enough of a fuck to explain that.

So Ath and any other self-righteous pricks, as well as the P.C. police, what you can do is go fuck yourselves.

Thank you. I'll be here all week.



P.S. #2 Is U-Ropa around, I've just gained a new respect for his talent of insulting people. Thank you U-Ropa.





oh and lets not forget..in spite of P.C. police and honestly. Merry Christmas, I shall beg forgiveness for saying all I've said above.

Well the post speaks for itself. You couldn't of proved my point any more clearer then you have.
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And you just proved my point. So we are even.
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VincentDantes
Dec 25 2006, 06:07 AM
Wow I'm a child oh my god. You know you should probably work in government, I think they could always use another self-righteous prick. All ya gotta do is suck a little bit of cock from your nearest political representative. Preferable a governor or congressman, although a congressman might want to pack your fudge a bit too you know. Then run for some obscure post or better yet if you suck cock good enough you get appointed.

Then you and your cock-buddies can decide the moral and ethical standards of your country.





P.S. If any of you politically correct cum stains decide that my post was homophobic...well you can just go ahead and lick my balls. Realistically I couldn't give two squirts of piss what two consenting homosexuals do in the privacy of their own homes. My problem with perverse politicians is a lot more complicated and I just don't give enough of a fuck to explain that.

So Ath and any other self-righteous pricks, as well as the P.C. police, what you can do is go fuck yourselves.

Thank you. I'll be here all week.



P.S. #2 Is U-Ropa around, I've just gained a new respect for his talent of insulting people. Thank you U-Ropa.





oh and lets not forget..in spite of P.C. police and honestly. Merry Christmas, I shall beg forgiveness for saying all I've said above.

Yes! your intellect is shining through ;)
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Dec 26 2006, 09:21 AM
Yes! your intellect is shining through ;)

Unlike you and Ath's.
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I think there was just a hint of sarcasm in L&H's post.
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