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Viruses of the Mind
Topic Started: Dec 21 2006, 08:05 AM (317 Views)
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Have a read and tell me what you think?

I'm interested on what opposing viewpoints would be.

http://cscs.umich.edu/~crshalizi/Dawkins/v...f-the-mind.html
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Remind me of your age?
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If religion is like a virus that is implanted into people at a young age then surely the ideals of freedom, justice and democracy are too.
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Dec 21 2006, 09:59 PM
So you read the entire article?

Yes, I did, did you expect me to like it? I read it with an open mind and applied it to real-life situations and found it to be bogus.
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He differentiates between good code and bad. Take his view on whether Science is a virus

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4 Is Science a Virus
No. Not unless all computer programs are viruses. Good, useful programs spread because people evaluate them, recommend them and pass them on. Computer viruses spread solely because they embody the coded instructions: ``Spread me.'' Scientific ideas, like all memes, are subject to a kind of natural selection, and this might look superficially virus-like. But the selective forces that scrutinize scientific ideas are not arbitrary and capricious. They are exacting, well-honed rules, and they do not favor pointless self-serving behavior. They favor all the virtues laid out in textbooks of standard methodology: testability, evidential support, precision, quantifiability, consistency, intersubjectivity, repeatability, universality, progressiveness, independence of cultural milieu, and so on. Faith spreads despite a total lack of every single one of these virtues.

You may find elements of epidemiology in the spread of scientific ideas, but it will be largely descriptive epidemiology. The rapid spread of a good idea through the scientific community may even look like a description of a measles epidemic. But when you examine the underlying reasons you find that they are good ones, satisfying the demanding standards of scientific method. In the history of the spread of faith you will find little else but epidemiology, and causal epidemiology at that. The reason why person A believes one thing and B believes another is simply and solely that A was born on one continent and B on another. Testability, evidential support and the rest aren't even remotely considered. For scientific belief, epidemiology merely comes along afterwards and describes the history of its acceptance. For religious belief, epidemiology is the root cause.


I believe what he is saying (major liberty taken here:D ) is that religion is like a virus because it existence is only to self propagate. It has no logic or, in any way, testable evidence to prove Gods existence is real. Democracy, Freedom & Justice are like the Programme that the virus infects and uses to propagate.

I find this a fascinating analogy and , while not saying I agree with the full concept, do find the reasoning warrents some teasing out in a mature and balanced way.
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Dec 21 2006, 10:37 PM
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So you read the entire article?

Yes, I did, did you expect me to like it? I read it with an open mind and applied it to real-life situations and found it to be bogus.

Why
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I believe what he is saying (major liberty taken here:D ) is that religion is like a virus because it existence is only to self propagate. It has no logic or, in any way, testable evidence to prove Gods existence is real.

Excuse me but, does not Science do the same? What is so logical about Science? Stars are formed through blah blah blah...mmk..where's the proof in that? Where is the testable evidence that the universe was created by the "big bang", that evolution happens through natural selection, or that animals have the ability to "think"? Where is the proof for such thoughts? Can we "test" these theories?
Logic is what the majority believes it to be.
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Where is the testable evidence that the universe was created by the "big bang
Cosmic Microwave Background Sixth question down.

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evolution happens through natural selection
The Short Proof of Evolution Read it (sixth paragraph sums it up)

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Logic is what the majority believes it to be
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Logic, from Classical Greek λόγος (logos), originally meaning the word, or what is spoken, (but coming to mean thought or reason) is the study of criteria for the evaluation of arguments, although the exact definition of logic is a matter of controversy among philosophers. However the subject is grounded, the task of the logician is to advance an account of valid and fallacious inference, to allow one to distinguish logical from flawed argum
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Since these people are totally incompetent in responding to you, I'll just play devil's advocate since many people on this forum want me to go to Hell anyway for being a skeptic.

I'll reiterate that this article doesn't adress how culture and religion is disseminated from the elite to the vernacular levels. That's all I have time to type.



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I don't see what point freedom has other than to continue it's own existance?
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He is a link PI sent to me and I thought I'd share with you.

T'is funny:P

Just wondered what our Oxford Students view on Creation V Evolution is?

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0055/0055_01.asp
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Love and Honour
Jan 5 2007, 06:21 PM
He is a link PI sent to me and I thought I'd share with you.

T'is funny:P

Just wondered what our Oxford Students view on Creation V Evolution is?

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0055/0055_01.asp

He studies politics, not genetics. Besides, he's not a Christian, he's been taken in by the athiest's lies.

Granted the guy that writes those is a bit of a nutter when it comes to some things (eg. not recognising Catholics as Christians), but he has the right idea on such issues as creation and abortion.
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Anyway, where's your argument against this then L+H. How do you defend lies in the face of such evidence and criticism.
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:P

Please give me time to digest such "truths" and announce my conversion to the true way ;)
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Jan 5 2007, 06:38 PM
:P

Please give me time to digest such "truths" and announce my conversion to the true way ;)

well hurry up...
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Too bad nothing in that comic was cited, PI.
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Yes it was. He gave names, now go and research it for yourself. Lazy.
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Yeah, here's something from the website they kept giving.

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Only one interpretation of the evidence can be correct and only one interpretation of the evidence agrees with what the Bible claims is the history of our planet.


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Jan 5 2007, 12:21 PM
He is a link PI sent to me and I thought I'd share with you.

T'is funny:P

Just wondered what our Oxford Students view on Creation V Evolution is?

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0055/0055_01.asp

This sounds more like the Creationists people then people of Evolution. The be clearer I mean it seems Creationsists sound like the professor except they are using creationist redderick.
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What the hell is redderick?
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rhetoric?
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